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Both groups do it all the time. The difference is that, Isreal doesn't lie about it when they do it while Hamas lies about pretty much everything.

by zaphar 3y ago

yieldcrv 3y ago
Transparency in government doesn’t equate to anything we need to tolerate.
cmrdporcupine 3y ago
That's complete nonsense. They do it all the time, and they lie or distort at will. Just like every other government, military, or secret service. Example: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/canadian-killed-at-un-post-in-lebanon/article1106386/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/canadian-killed-a... https://legionmagazine.com/one-martyr-down-the-untold-story-of-a-canadian-peacekeeper-killed-at-war/ https://legionmagazine.com/one-martyr-down-the-untold-story-... https://www.cjpme.org/fs_033 https://www.cjpme.org/fs_033 IDF fired on a UN post and killed neutral UN observers, including a Canadian citizen. They've never admitted it was deliberate... but they did it because of the specific neutrality interventions of that UN post... as a signal to STFU ... and everybody knows it. And because of alliances with Israel even the Canadian gov't wouldn't raise protest. "The question of how and why it [UN base] was on their targeting list has never been legally resolved. The Israelis claim it was a data-entry error—put on their target list by mistake. But they have prevented any organization or government from verifying that claim; including both the UN and the Canadian government." It's not like anybody is forcing you to think in terms where there's only Hamas or IDF to choose from. That's a mental framework you're choosing for yourself. It's not a football game.
- zaphar 3y ago
  Israel did not pretend they hadn't fired the missile in that case. You may disagree with whether it was deliberate or not but you have no evidence that it was. Which fine, that's a mental framework you are choosing for yourself. Hamas, meanwhile, has been caught lying multiple times over the years with actual evidence of those lies. Objectively one of these is far more reliable than the others in their relationship to the truth.
  - cmrdporcupine 3y ago
    Tell me you didn't bother reading the substance of my comment without telling me.... JFC, you're in a mental prison. Hate.
    - zaphar 3y ago
      I'm curious, if you have an actual example where I'm wrong or if you just want to win on opinion here. Because I'm fine having a different opinion than you but pretending like, in this example, the behavior of the two groups in the past and the facts does not indicate a statistically higher likelihood that a shoddy Hamas missile caused this and not Israel requires you ignore the history here. Your comment moved the goal posts and make a statement with no evidence in support. The actual facts in the article meanwhile continued to support my own point. 1. Hamas is proudly on the record that they want their people to die as human shields. 2. Hamas is proudly on the record that they seek the genocide against the jews. 3. Isreal does not typically lie and say it wasn't their missile when they fire them. 4. Isreal's munitions are very effective and Hamas is using homemade rockets made from water pipes and are much more consistent with the type of damage caused in the hospital parking lot.

Both groups do it all the time. The difference is that, Isreal doesn't lie about it when they do it while Hamas lies about pretty much everything.

by zaphar 3y ago

Both groups do it all the time. The difference is that, Isreal doesn't lie about it when they do it while Hamas lies about pretty much everything.

yieldcrv 3y ago

Transparency in government doesn’t equate to anything we need to tolerate.

cmrdporcupine 3y ago

That's complete nonsense. They do it all the time, and they lie or distort at will. Just like every other government, military, or secret service. Example: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/canadian-killed-at-un-post-in-lebanon/article1106386/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/canadian-killed-a... https://legionmagazine.com/one-martyr-down-the-untold-story-of-a-canadian-peacekeeper-killed-at-war/ https://legionmagazine.com/one-martyr-down-the-untold-story-... https://www.cjpme.org/fs_033 https://www.cjpme.org/fs_033 IDF fired on a UN post and killed neutral UN observers, including a Canadian citizen. They've never admitted it was deliberate... but they did it because of the specific neutrality interventions of that UN post... as a signal to STFU ... and everybody knows it. And because of alliances with Israel even the Canadian gov't wouldn't raise protest. "The question of how and why it [UN base] was on their targeting list has never been legally resolved. The Israelis claim it was a data-entry error—put on their target list by mistake. But they have prevented any organization or government from verifying that claim; including both the UN and the Canadian government." It's not like anybody is forcing you to think in terms where there's only Hamas or IDF to choose from. That's a mental framework you're choosing for yourself. It's not a football game.

zaphar 3y ago
Israel did not pretend they hadn't fired the missile in that case. You may disagree with whether it was deliberate or not but you have no evidence that it was. Which fine, that's a mental framework you are choosing for yourself. Hamas, meanwhile, has been caught lying multiple times over the years with actual evidence of those lies. Objectively one of these is far more reliable than the others in their relationship to the truth.
- cmrdporcupine 3y ago
  Tell me you didn't bother reading the substance of my comment without telling me.... JFC, you're in a mental prison. Hate.
  - zaphar 3y ago
    I'm curious, if you have an actual example where I'm wrong or if you just want to win on opinion here. Because I'm fine having a different opinion than you but pretending like, in this example, the behavior of the two groups in the past and the facts does not indicate a statistically higher likelihood that a shoddy Hamas missile caused this and not Israel requires you ignore the history here. Your comment moved the goal posts and make a statement with no evidence in support. The actual facts in the article meanwhile continued to support my own point. 1. Hamas is proudly on the record that they want their people to die as human shields. 2. Hamas is proudly on the record that they seek the genocide against the jews. 3. Isreal does not typically lie and say it wasn't their missile when they fire them. 4. Isreal's munitions are very effective and Hamas is using homemade rockets made from water pipes and are much more consistent with the type of damage caused in the hospital parking lot.