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FWIW those DV TPO are handed out like candy and not evidence of anything. David Letterman had one for bit because a lady (he didn't know, in a different state)
by salamanderss 3y ago
FWIW those DV TPO are handed out like candy and not evidence of anything. David Letterman had one for bit because a lady (he didn't know, in a different state) accused him of sending her secret abusive messages through his TV program. It's kind of insane to depend on that for an opinion let alone stuff like constitutional rights.
- User23 3y agoAnd yet many people support an automatic loss of constitutional rights if one is issued.
- freedomben 3y agoFixing people's opinions is very difficult because they are mostly made emotionally and the idea of a person being harassed or abused is emotional fire while the idea of an innocent person accused (especially since they are often people of "power") is often met with apathy at best.
- porkbeer 3y agoThat is going to the supreme court this year. Hopefully it will affirm rights.
- ohdannyboy 3y agoMy safety versus someone else's rights? Convince someone that they'll never be the "other" and rights become a far away theoretical concept.
- juped 3y agoMany people just support removing constitutional rights, and consider sometimes removing them from some people to be an improvement in that direction even if it's not total victory.
- giraffe_lady 3y agoAn emergency protective order is usually given with no verification because it's much better to give one out incorrectly then to fail to give when you you should have. But those are only pending a court date, a few weeks at most. A "real" one is issued by a judge after interviewing both parties (or by default if one doesn't show up) and those are very reliably real. I don't know anything about the letterman thing. If it was an emergency one yeah you don't want to read too much into it. The real ones though are very reliable indicators that something fucked up went down.
- salamanderss 3y ago> The real ones though are very reliable indicators that something fucked up went down. Any numbers on how much more reliable they are after the initial order kicks you out of the spousal home and asks you to get a lawyer while navigating being homeless and losing access to assets in your house and any evidence inside? It's hard to believe the short hearing a couple weeks later with pretty low standard of evidence with you now at a severe disadvantage is that much more accurate.
- giraffe_lady 3y agoAre you speaking from personal experience? Because I've lived through exactly that, and I still understand protective orders as one of the most effective ways to prevent intimate partner murders.
- 15155 3y agoWhy would someone who intends to commit murder care about a misdemeanor status offense?
- giraffe_lady 3y ago[flagged]
- 15155 3y ago> Could you please go learn something about this subject before you talk out your ass about it. I didn't intend to upset you. How many of these cases have you tried? Where do you practice, exactly? > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.
- feoren 3y agoYou're using armchair logic, which can justify anything. giraffe_lady already said: > I've lived through exactly that So your 100% snarky comment about how she's not a practicing lawyer and therefore can't know anything about it is pretty off key, especially when you're literally quoting "don't be snarky". You're both swiping at each other; don't quote the rules at someone when you're not applying them to yourself.