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The teen should make a music video of the footage to help raise funds for their legal defense, as Afroman did with hits like Lemon Pound Cake (https://www.youtu

by zugi 3y ago

The teen should make a music video of the footage to help raise funds for their legal defense, as Afroman did with hits like Lemon Pound Cake (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xxK5yyecRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xxK5yyecRo ) and Will You Help Me Repair My Door (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oponIfu5L3Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oponIfu5L3Y). The right to record the police in public is well established now, and the claims the police are making (that technically Nathan Winter of the Newton Police Department is not a "convicted" domestic abuser, he's just an "accused" domestic abuser with a judge issuing a protective order against him) seem more likely to defame them than a brief caption in the teen's posted arrest video.

salamanderss 3y ago
FWIW those DV TPO are handed out like candy and not evidence of anything. David Letterman had one for bit because a lady (he didn't know, in a different state) accused him of sending her secret abusive messages through his TV program. It's kind of insane to depend on that for an opinion let alone stuff like constitutional rights.
- User23 3y ago
  And yet many people support an automatic loss of constitutional rights if one is issued.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    Fixing people's opinions is very difficult because they are mostly made emotionally and the idea of a person being harassed or abused is emotional fire while the idea of an innocent person accused (especially since they are often people of "power") is often met with apathy at best.
  - porkbeer 3y ago
    That is going to the supreme court this year. Hopefully it will affirm rights.
  - ohdannyboy 3y ago
    My safety versus someone else's rights? Convince someone that they'll never be the "other" and rights become a far away theoretical concept.
  - juped 3y ago
    Many people just support removing constitutional rights, and consider sometimes removing them from some people to be an improvement in that direction even if it's not total victory.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  An emergency protective order is usually given with no verification because it's much better to give one out incorrectly then to fail to give when you you should have. But those are only pending a court date, a few weeks at most. A "real" one is issued by a judge after interviewing both parties (or by default if one doesn't show up) and those are very reliably real. I don't know anything about the letterman thing. If it was an emergency one yeah you don't want to read too much into it. The real ones though are very reliable indicators that something fucked up went down.
  - salamanderss 3y ago
    > The real ones though are very reliable indicators that something fucked up went down. Any numbers on how much more reliable they are after the initial order kicks you out of the spousal home and asks you to get a lawyer while navigating being homeless and losing access to assets in your house and any evidence inside? It's hard to believe the short hearing a couple weeks later with pretty low standard of evidence with you now at a severe disadvantage is that much more accurate.
    - giraffe_lady 3y ago
      Are you speaking from personal experience? Because I've lived through exactly that, and I still understand protective orders as one of the most effective ways to prevent intimate partner murders.
      - 15155 3y ago
        Why would someone who intends to commit murder care about a misdemeanor status offense?
        giraffe_lady 3y ago
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internetter 3y ago
Another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUvuaChDEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUvuaChDEg
- bertil 3y ago
  I’d say: if you have the option, go with Afroman… Better beats.
mfer 3y ago
According to the article, The issue is not that the police were recorded or put on YouTube. It's that the YouTube video had captions on it from the 19 year old. It is the content of those that is still an issue. From the article, the judge has dismissed most of the claims but some have been allowed to be moved forward.
sainez 3y ago
Another example is J. Cole's song Neighbors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfVWiXY3WY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfVWiXY3WY. I went to his concert for this album and he spoke on how frustrating it was to rise out of extreme poverty and reach the pinnacle of the music world and still have to be subjected to traumatic incidents with the police. There was zero evidence for this raid and they still destroyed his property and disabled his cameras.

by zugi 3y ago

salamanderss 3y ago

FWIW those DV TPO are handed out like candy and not evidence of anything. David Letterman had one for bit because a lady (he didn't know, in a different state) accused him of sending her secret abusive messages through his TV program. It's kind of insane to depend on that for an opinion let alone stuff like constitutional rights.

User23 3y ago
And yet many people support an automatic loss of constitutional rights if one is issued.
- freedomben 3y ago
  Fixing people's opinions is very difficult because they are mostly made emotionally and the idea of a person being harassed or abused is emotional fire while the idea of an innocent person accused (especially since they are often people of "power") is often met with apathy at best.
- porkbeer 3y ago
  That is going to the supreme court this year. Hopefully it will affirm rights.
- ohdannyboy 3y ago
  My safety versus someone else's rights? Convince someone that they'll never be the "other" and rights become a far away theoretical concept.
- juped 3y ago
  Many people just support removing constitutional rights, and consider sometimes removing them from some people to be an improvement in that direction even if it's not total victory.
giraffe_lady 3y ago
An emergency protective order is usually given with no verification because it's much better to give one out incorrectly then to fail to give when you you should have. But those are only pending a court date, a few weeks at most. A "real" one is issued by a judge after interviewing both parties (or by default if one doesn't show up) and those are very reliably real. I don't know anything about the letterman thing. If it was an emergency one yeah you don't want to read too much into it. The real ones though are very reliable indicators that something fucked up went down.
- salamanderss 3y ago
  > The real ones though are very reliable indicators that something fucked up went down. Any numbers on how much more reliable they are after the initial order kicks you out of the spousal home and asks you to get a lawyer while navigating being homeless and losing access to assets in your house and any evidence inside? It's hard to believe the short hearing a couple weeks later with pretty low standard of evidence with you now at a severe disadvantage is that much more accurate.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    Are you speaking from personal experience? Because I've lived through exactly that, and I still understand protective orders as one of the most effective ways to prevent intimate partner murders.
    - 15155 3y ago
      Why would someone who intends to commit murder care about a misdemeanor status offense?
      - giraffe_lady 3y ago
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internetter 3y ago

Another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUvuaChDEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUvuaChDEg

bertil 3y ago
I’d say: if you have the option, go with Afroman… Better beats.

mfer 3y ago

According to the article, The issue is not that the police were recorded or put on YouTube. It's that the YouTube video had captions on it from the 19 year old. It is the content of those that is still an issue. From the article, the judge has dismissed most of the claims but some have been allowed to be moved forward.

sainez 3y ago

Another example is J. Cole's song Neighbors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfVWiXY3WY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfVWiXY3WY. I went to his concert for this album and he spoke on how frustrating it was to rise out of extreme poverty and reach the pinnacle of the music world and still have to be subjected to traumatic incidents with the police. There was zero evidence for this raid and they still destroyed his property and disabled his cameras.