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Channel 4 and plenty of other people. Y'all are inside a propaganda bubble. https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1714999704100934034 https://twitter.com/j

Channel 4 and plenty of other people. Y'all are inside a propaganda bubble. https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1714999704100934034 https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/171499970410093403...

mupuff1234 3y ago
"Two independent Arab journalists" isn't exactly a reputable source - It most likely means they found 2 random people on Twitter. And initially I thought it was probably Israel, but the evidence is fairly overwhelming to support that it is a failed Jihad rocket.
- jakelazaroff 3y ago
  The IDF released the recordings in the first place. Are you claiming that they're a reputable source?
  - mupuff1234 3y ago
    No I don't. But instead of providing nameless fake experts to try and dispute the recording content they should just say it's impossible to verify so not acceptable as evidence in either direction. Although I wouldn't mind interviews with actual experts, but saying "independent journalists" with no names or anything definitely turns on red flags. But ignoring the recording I still find the evidence strong enough to assume this was in all likelihood a failed jihad rocket.
    - jakelazaroff 3y ago
      I came to the opposite conclusion. We can probably just agree to disagree on this.
      - mupuff1234 3y ago
        That's fine, although I would be curious to hear what made you reach the opposite conclusion.
        jakelazaroff 3y ago
        - The IDF often lies when the truth makes them look bad, as in the case of the murder of journalist Shireen Abu Akleh: first they claimed she was shot by Palestinians, then that she was caught in crossfire, until it finally emerged that she had been killed by an Israeli sniper - The IDF often attacks hospitals - The IDF warned people to evacuate the hospital repeatedly in the days leading up to the attack - IDF affiliates initially claimed credit for the attack - The IDF posted video “proving” it was a failed rocket launch, then removed the video without acknowledging it when people pointed out that the timestamps didn’t line up - The IDF released an inculpatory recording of Hamas that has since been widely discredited - To the extent that they are able to investigate, many independent organizations have not found evidence supporting the IDF’s claims - The US is resisting calls to allow independent investigations - The IDF has targeted other hospitals since the air strike
        mupuff1234 3y ago
        Thanks! Don't want to argue, but basically seems like you made up your mind without taking most of the actual evidence into consideration, although i can fully understand being skeptical of the IDF (although of course I'm even more skeptical of Hamas) Here's another piece of evidence to consider (although you'll probably disqualify it since it's from the IDF), a video that shows just high the hamas/jihad rocket failure rate is: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17d7wa6/flir_footage_of_a_rocket_barrage_and_failed/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17d7wa6/flir...
        mupuff1234 3y ago
        Now cnn also published their investigation also pointing in the direction of a failed rocket: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigates-forensic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigat... and the canadian government came to the same conclusion: https://www.thestar.com/politics/canada-has-high-degree-of-confidence-israel-didnt-strike-hospital-in-gaza-blair/article_3cbc7794-e34d-56a4-a545-c3c3002b0dcd.html https://www.thestar.com/politics/canada-has-high-degree-of-c...

mupuff1234 3y ago

"Two independent Arab journalists" isn't exactly a reputable source - It most likely means they found 2 random people on Twitter. And initially I thought it was probably Israel, but the evidence is fairly overwhelming to support that it is a failed Jihad rocket.

jakelazaroff 3y ago
The IDF released the recordings in the first place. Are you claiming that they're a reputable source?
- mupuff1234 3y ago
  No I don't. But instead of providing nameless fake experts to try and dispute the recording content they should just say it's impossible to verify so not acceptable as evidence in either direction. Although I wouldn't mind interviews with actual experts, but saying "independent journalists" with no names or anything definitely turns on red flags. But ignoring the recording I still find the evidence strong enough to assume this was in all likelihood a failed jihad rocket.
  - jakelazaroff 3y ago
    I came to the opposite conclusion. We can probably just agree to disagree on this.
    - mupuff1234 3y ago
      That's fine, although I would be curious to hear what made you reach the opposite conclusion.
      - jakelazaroff 3y ago
        - The IDF often lies when the truth makes them look bad, as in the case of the murder of journalist Shireen Abu Akleh: first they claimed she was shot by Palestinians, then that she was caught in crossfire, until it finally emerged that she had been killed by an Israeli sniper - The IDF often attacks hospitals - The IDF warned people to evacuate the hospital repeatedly in the days leading up to the attack - IDF affiliates initially claimed credit for the attack - The IDF posted video “proving” it was a failed rocket launch, then removed the video without acknowledging it when people pointed out that the timestamps didn’t line up - The IDF released an inculpatory recording of Hamas that has since been widely discredited - To the extent that they are able to investigate, many independent organizations have not found evidence supporting the IDF’s claims - The US is resisting calls to allow independent investigations - The IDF has targeted other hospitals since the air strike
        mupuff1234 3y ago
        Thanks! Don't want to argue, but basically seems like you made up your mind without taking most of the actual evidence into consideration, although i can fully understand being skeptical of the IDF (although of course I'm even more skeptical of Hamas) Here's another piece of evidence to consider (although you'll probably disqualify it since it's from the IDF), a video that shows just high the hamas/jihad rocket failure rate is: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17d7wa6/flir_footage_of_a_rocket_barrage_and_failed/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17d7wa6/flir...
        mupuff1234 3y ago
        Now cnn also published their investigation also pointing in the direction of a failed rocket: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigates-forensic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigat... and the canadian government came to the same conclusion: https://www.thestar.com/politics/canada-has-high-degree-of-confidence-israel-didnt-strike-hospital-in-gaza-blair/article_3cbc7794-e34d-56a4-a545-c3c3002b0dcd.html https://www.thestar.com/politics/canada-has-high-degree-of-c...