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I suggest that air ducts should not be considered part of Nakatomi Space. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/PlayingWith/AirVentPassageway https://tvtropes

I suggest that air ducts should not be considered part of Nakatomi Space. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/PlayingWith/AirVentPassageway https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/PlayingWith/AirVentPa... Because rather than being inventive uses of architectural spaces they're generally lazy plot devices. Now I have a reason to go back and watch Die Hard again to see if John crawls through air ducts.

the_af 3y ago
He does use them, in fact this is one of the pictures in the article! The villains catch up to his use of vents though. I think Die Hard is fair use of this trope, because it popularized or codified it. Back when Die Hard opened, a lot of these tropes were far less common; in fact they've become common because of the movie. Many later action thrillers owe a lot to John McClane.
- hirundo 3y ago
  You just spoiled my excuse to watch Die Hard again.
  - the_af 3y ago
    Now I feel bad. But rejoice! You need no excuse to rewatch Die Hard, it's just a good idea regardless.
  - nativeit 3y ago
    I once heard a British comedian talk about hiring a hypnotherapist to help him watch the first Harry Potter movie again as if it was his first time. I personally don’t think such precision or efficacy is possible in hypnotherapy, but it’s a fun idea.
- jameshart 3y ago
  That’s definitely a missing aspect of the TVtropes dataset - what is the influence timeline of the trope? Which instances are referencing other instances? When did it transition into cliche? When was its tropiness punctured to make it into something that could be parodied or lampshaded? While I’d agree post-Die-Hard vent spelunking is likely to nod to the Die-Hardness of the situation, the trope had a long life before Nakatomi.
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    Please don't suggest adding a whole new dimension to explore to what's already an insanely addictive part of the Internet.
    - the_af 3y ago
      I went in TVTropes looking for the definition of "crapsack world" a few years ago and I haven't been able to get out yet.
- sumtechguy 3y ago
  And nearly got killed because of it. On of the bad guys heard him going thru them and ran a line of bullets thru it. The movie was great on tension. At any moment he could die, and die hard.

the_af 3y ago

He does use them, in fact this is one of the pictures in the article! The villains catch up to his use of vents though. I think Die Hard is fair use of this trope, because it popularized or codified it. Back when Die Hard opened, a lot of these tropes were far less common; in fact they've become common because of the movie. Many later action thrillers owe a lot to John McClane.

hirundo 3y ago
You just spoiled my excuse to watch Die Hard again.
- the_af 3y ago
  Now I feel bad. But rejoice! You need no excuse to rewatch Die Hard, it's just a good idea regardless.
- nativeit 3y ago
  I once heard a British comedian talk about hiring a hypnotherapist to help him watch the first Harry Potter movie again as if it was his first time. I personally don’t think such precision or efficacy is possible in hypnotherapy, but it’s a fun idea.
jameshart 3y ago
That’s definitely a missing aspect of the TVtropes dataset - what is the influence timeline of the trope? Which instances are referencing other instances? When did it transition into cliche? When was its tropiness punctured to make it into something that could be parodied or lampshaded? While I’d agree post-Die-Hard vent spelunking is likely to nod to the Die-Hardness of the situation, the trope had a long life before Nakatomi.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  Please don't suggest adding a whole new dimension to explore to what's already an insanely addictive part of the Internet.
  - the_af 3y ago
    I went in TVTropes looking for the definition of "crapsack world" a few years ago and I haven't been able to get out yet.
sumtechguy 3y ago
And nearly got killed because of it. On of the bad guys heard him going thru them and ran a line of bullets thru it. The movie was great on tension. At any moment he could die, and die hard.