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What has allowed the Russian state to treat him with such a degree of cruelty is the war with Ukraine. News of his arrest, imprisonment, and treatment in jail w

by ftl64 3y ago

What has allowed the Russian state to treat him with such a degree of cruelty is the war with Ukraine. News of his arrest, imprisonment, and treatment in jail were overshadowed by those of another airstrike on a civilian population. Not to mention, it sent a clear message to internal opposition that those willing to act against the state would face not just legal hurdles but also tyranny and physical violence.

thriftwy 3y ago
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- ftl64 3y ago
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- jnsaff2 3y ago
  There are plenty of photos of russians bombing civilians, hospitals, Mariupol drama theater had "children" written in letters so big that they can be seen from space. Still bombed. Just few weeks ago a funeral was hit with a rocket, 50+ civilians dead. Let alone the constant attacks on civilian power and port infrastructure trying to freeze and famine not only Ukraine. This is just a completely ignorant take that the Israelis are somehow worse than russians.
  - walteweiss 3y ago
    Why do you write Israeli, when it was Gaza’s who bombed their hospital themselves. Like other autocracies tend to do to their citizens, by not valuing their lives.
    - jnsaff2 3y ago
      It was pretty clear from the context that the person I replied to was referring to israeli air strikes against Gaza. I have no doubt hamas is a terrorist organization who don't give a crap about any civilians, be it Gazans or not.
      - walteweiss 3y ago
        Sorry, didn’t get that. Thanks for the clarification, I reread the comment you’ve replied to and it’s now clear them trying to whitewash terrorists (Russia and Hamas), while blaming the victims.
    - thriftwy 3y ago
      Bombed with what? With a rocket made of water pipe and ammonia fertilizer? Obviously it would not do that kind of damage. We've seen impacts of stuff Hamas has and it can't do that. The angle from which Israel doing this damage control reciprocity blaming is laughable.
      - hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago
        I don't know who bombed the hospital in this case. But in the past Hamas showed very clearly they don't value the lives of their people at all and they used women and children as living shield on numerous occasions.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    I'm just saying exactly that - anybody may now take two sets of photos and compare the amount of rampage over the time period to approximate the "DPS" done to civilian infrastructure. Of course, I cannot prevent that person from being in denial due to cognitive dissonance.
    - jnsaff2 3y ago
      The words you wrote here make no sense and are in direct contradiction to your original claim. Can you please clarify your thoughts?
      - thriftwy 3y ago
        My thoughts are that the press (and moreso twitter) has a very skewed way to report stuff. It is designed for entertainment value and not for rigor, and also to push a narrative. Having two sets if inputs regarding somewhat similar events allows you to do a reality check. For example, you can compare civilian infrastructure damage footage from Gaza and that of Ukraine and arrive to some conclusions.
        jnsaff2 3y ago
        How does this lead you to your original claim of: > The recent Israeli-Palestine conflict has shown that Russo-Ukrainian war is actually fought very carefully from both sides.
        thriftwy 3y ago
        Because the Gaza footage is quite a mess. You will have hard times matching it with Ukraine footage. Sometimes, whole neighbourhoods of civilian high rises were levelled. Meanwhile, obviously the carnage of civilians during the initial Gaza raid is also something that you will have hard time matching with anything happening in Ukraine. Perhaps you will derive something different from these pictures, I just suggest doing that instead of going along with narratives.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  The conflict of the week has not resulted in more war crimes than the 600 day - week long special operation.
- zirgs 3y ago
  Neither side has air superiority in Ukraine. Israel can do what they're doing, because their enemy has no air defence whatsoever.

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thriftwy 3y ago

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jnsaff2 3y ago
There are plenty of photos of russians bombing civilians, hospitals, Mariupol drama theater had "children" written in letters so big that they can be seen from space. Still bombed. Just few weeks ago a funeral was hit with a rocket, 50+ civilians dead. Let alone the constant attacks on civilian power and port infrastructure trying to freeze and famine not only Ukraine. This is just a completely ignorant take that the Israelis are somehow worse than russians.
- walteweiss 3y ago
  Why do you write Israeli, when it was Gaza’s who bombed their hospital themselves. Like other autocracies tend to do to their citizens, by not valuing their lives.
  - jnsaff2 3y ago
    It was pretty clear from the context that the person I replied to was referring to israeli air strikes against Gaza. I have no doubt hamas is a terrorist organization who don't give a crap about any civilians, be it Gazans or not.
    - walteweiss 3y ago
      Sorry, didn’t get that. Thanks for the clarification, I reread the comment you’ve replied to and it’s now clear them trying to whitewash terrorists (Russia and Hamas), while blaming the victims.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    Bombed with what? With a rocket made of water pipe and ammonia fertilizer? Obviously it would not do that kind of damage. We've seen impacts of stuff Hamas has and it can't do that. The angle from which Israel doing this damage control reciprocity blaming is laughable.
    - hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago
      I don't know who bombed the hospital in this case. But in the past Hamas showed very clearly they don't value the lives of their people at all and they used women and children as living shield on numerous occasions.
- thriftwy 3y ago
  I'm just saying exactly that - anybody may now take two sets of photos and compare the amount of rampage over the time period to approximate the "DPS" done to civilian infrastructure. Of course, I cannot prevent that person from being in denial due to cognitive dissonance.
  - jnsaff2 3y ago
    The words you wrote here make no sense and are in direct contradiction to your original claim. Can you please clarify your thoughts?
    - thriftwy 3y ago
      My thoughts are that the press (and moreso twitter) has a very skewed way to report stuff. It is designed for entertainment value and not for rigor, and also to push a narrative. Having two sets if inputs regarding somewhat similar events allows you to do a reality check. For example, you can compare civilian infrastructure damage footage from Gaza and that of Ukraine and arrive to some conclusions.
      - jnsaff2 3y ago
        How does this lead you to your original claim of: > The recent Israeli-Palestine conflict has shown that Russo-Ukrainian war is actually fought very carefully from both sides.
        thriftwy 3y ago
        Because the Gaza footage is quite a mess. You will have hard times matching it with Ukraine footage. Sometimes, whole neighbourhoods of civilian high rises were levelled. Meanwhile, obviously the carnage of civilians during the initial Gaza raid is also something that you will have hard time matching with anything happening in Ukraine. Perhaps you will derive something different from these pictures, I just suggest doing that instead of going along with narratives.
mensetmanusman 3y ago
The conflict of the week has not resulted in more war crimes than the 600 day - week long special operation.
zirgs 3y ago
Neither side has air superiority in Ukraine. Israel can do what they're doing, because their enemy has no air defence whatsoever.