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If you’re inside China there’s a more than decent chance that there are FAR fewer “radical Islamists” in reality than your (again, state-influenced) information

If you’re inside China there’s a more than decent chance that there are FAR fewer “radical Islamists” in reality than your (again, state-influenced) information streams have you believing exist inside unreality, never mind far more innocent people being killed by your government than you’d like to know. Read https://erinkissane.com/ https://erinkissane.com/ (if you even can without a state-actor standing as a MITM) and replace Myanmar with China and you might start to see what I’m getting at. A lot of countries on this planet, and especially its current super powers, need a minority to demonize… you seem to be under the impression (apparently from inside the Great Firewall) that China is doing xenophobia and racism _better_? EDIT: by the way, my skip-the-Nobel-please first pass idea would be to talk to them and find out why their grievances have driven them to actions that the state wants / needs to [opp|sup]ress.

yorwba 3y ago
Last I checked, HN was blocked by the Great Firewall. 70% chance they're an American (jumping to criticism of US political parties is a big clue) or other Westerner who doesn't speak Chinese.
- yawpitch 3y ago
  Or using a VPN they (for some reason) trust not to MITM the content along some other agenda’s lines.
aurareturn 3y ago
So your justification for calling it a genocide is that you don't believe in China's numbers?
- yawpitch 3y ago
  No, I didn’t call it a genocide, I said that what you call re-education camps look to me like internment camps, which can also look like concentration camps (since they’re fundamentally the same thing) and which, absent fully independent verification, might actually be extermination camps. History is the only thing that will show if those camps represent a genocide or not, but it does look suspiciously like what one would do in a genocide. Avoiding actual genocide, by the way, is why I don’t believe China’s numbers any more than I believed Bush’s or would have believed Roosevelt’s or Hitler’s or Hirohito’s.

yorwba 3y ago

Last I checked, HN was blocked by the Great Firewall. 70% chance they're an American (jumping to criticism of US political parties is a big clue) or other Westerner who doesn't speak Chinese.

yawpitch 3y ago
Or using a VPN they (for some reason) trust not to MITM the content along some other agenda’s lines.

aurareturn 3y ago

So your justification for calling it a genocide is that you don't believe in China's numbers?

yawpitch 3y ago
No, I didn’t call it a genocide, I said that what you call re-education camps look to me like internment camps, which can also look like concentration camps (since they’re fundamentally the same thing) and which, absent fully independent verification, might actually be extermination camps. History is the only thing that will show if those camps represent a genocide or not, but it does look suspiciously like what one would do in a genocide. Avoiding actual genocide, by the way, is why I don’t believe China’s numbers any more than I believed Bush’s or would have believed Roosevelt’s or Hitler’s or Hirohito’s.