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The endgame is just Google muxing ads directly into the video feed, so...congrats I guess, freedom preserved?

aurareturn 3y ago
Exactly. Google is going to need to show you ads no matter what or charge you a monthly fee. You can dislike Google as much as you want but this is how trade works. Let's get some common sense back.
- MourYother 3y ago
  I bet you watch every add, but I don't think you can see them well from your overly high horse
  - aurareturn 3y ago
    Nope. I pay for YouTube Premium.
MourYother 3y ago
Really? The endgame could be pushing ppl towards premium, but even then I don't trust google not to start showing ads for premium users. If AdBlock and sponsorblock fail on yt I'll just leave for nebula.
- missedthecue 3y ago
  What's the selling point of premium if not removing ads?
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  - MourYother 3y ago
    Once things like attestation roll in, if you are premium user you'll still be able to skip the add after 30s ;)
- lodovic 3y ago
  I believe that indeed, when a large part of their users would switch to Premium, Google will start serving "light" ads to Premium as well, and will try to sell it as a Premium feature
  - bonton89 3y ago
    And regardless, they never said they wouldn't track the premium users. In fact, they've doxxed themselves to youtube by paying and painted a target on their back by signaling they have money. And it is easier to track users that have to sign in. So they double dip on money and improved tracking.
iamacyborg 3y ago
If those ads don’t use rtb, yeah, freedom has mostly been preserved.
forgotusername6 3y ago
Yeah I think so. It goes back to the days of television, where I can watch TV and see ads without someone stalking me.
- bonton89 3y ago
  Horrifyingly, the next "OTA" broadcast standard is going to require an internet connection to track what you watched.
lodovic 3y ago
AI will fix this.
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Kim_Bruning 3y ago
Technically already happening by people themselves, except they call it "sponsored content". It's so common that there's an addon for that: https://github.com/ajayyy/SponsorBlock#sponsorblock https://github.com/ajayyy/SponsorBlock#sponsorblock
yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
> Google muxing ads directly into the video feed, so...congrats I guess, freedom preserved? I mean, yeah; if inlining the ads means the site doesn't spy on my machine and report back to Google then that's a big win.
zzo38computer 3y ago
That would do, yes. But, if they keep changing the ads then it just uses up more power, as well as any cryptographic hash checking failing (they might not do such a thing, but the people should insist on formats of URLs with the cryptographic hashes in order to avoid this problem). (If they are also always same then also you can easily make the file to specify which parts of the video (such as ads, but it could be anything that you want to) which should be skipped. If there is always a key frame after each ad (which I hope that there should be), then hopefully it should be possible to save disk space by omitting the ads, too.) (Or, are YouTube going to get rid of all of the key frames to try to restrict user choice (and end up reducing reliability too)?)

Exactly. Google is going to need to show you ads no matter what or charge you a monthly fee. You can dislike Google as much as you want but this is how trade works. Let's get some common sense back.

MourYother 3y ago
I bet you watch every add, but I don't think you can see them well from your overly high horse
- aurareturn 3y ago
  Nope. I pay for YouTube Premium.

MourYother 3y ago

Really? The endgame could be pushing ppl towards premium, but even then I don't trust google not to start showing ads for premium users. If AdBlock and sponsorblock fail on yt I'll just leave for nebula.

missedthecue 3y ago
What's the selling point of premium if not removing ads?
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- MourYother 3y ago
  Once things like attestation roll in, if you are premium user you'll still be able to skip the add after 30s ;)
lodovic 3y ago
I believe that indeed, when a large part of their users would switch to Premium, Google will start serving "light" ads to Premium as well, and will try to sell it as a Premium feature
- bonton89 3y ago
  And regardless, they never said they wouldn't track the premium users. In fact, they've doxxed themselves to youtube by paying and painted a target on their back by signaling they have money. And it is easier to track users that have to sign in. So they double dip on money and improved tracking.

iamacyborg 3y ago

If those ads don’t use rtb, yeah, freedom has mostly been preserved.

forgotusername6 3y ago

Yeah I think so. It goes back to the days of television, where I can watch TV and see ads without someone stalking me.

bonton89 3y ago
Horrifyingly, the next "OTA" broadcast standard is going to require an internet connection to track what you watched.

lodovic 3y ago

AI will fix this.

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Kim_Bruning 3y ago

Technically already happening by people themselves, except they call it "sponsored content". It's so common that there's an addon for that: https://github.com/ajayyy/SponsorBlock#sponsorblock https://github.com/ajayyy/SponsorBlock#sponsorblock

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago

> Google muxing ads directly into the video feed, so...congrats I guess, freedom preserved? I mean, yeah; if inlining the ads means the site doesn't spy on my machine and report back to Google then that's a big win.

zzo38computer 3y ago

That would do, yes. But, if they keep changing the ads then it just uses up more power, as well as any cryptographic hash checking failing (they might not do such a thing, but the people should insist on formats of URLs with the cryptographic hashes in order to avoid this problem). (If they are also always same then also you can easily make the file to specify which parts of the video (such as ads, but it could be anything that you want to) which should be skipped. If there is always a key frame after each ad (which I hope that there should be), then hopefully it should be possible to save disk space by omitting the ads, too.) (Or, are YouTube going to get rid of all of the key frames to try to restrict user choice (and end up reducing reliability too)?)