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Well that's nice, except that organized labor has in fact improved the lives of workers time and time again. Companies generally come crawling back in a hurry,

Well that's nice, except that organized labor has in fact improved the lives of workers time and time again. Companies generally come crawling back in a hurry, willing to make concessions they previously claimed were impossible, when the "unskilled labor" goes on strike. This wouldn't make any sense if people were already paid what they are worth. Bargaining power exists. You cannot explain the world we live in without it. >so they'd rather pour a bottle of whine. They're actually opening a can of whoop-ass.

jalapenos 3y ago
Fictitious. They might temporarily give their in-group a little boost from time to time, but workers lose in the long run. Rather than being simple-minded thugs looking to whoop-ass, they should be focused on guiding their members to increased individual bargaining power by upskilling them.
- adfhietinoi 3y ago
  Unions have won concessions many times that workers did not win on their own. This is a simple historical fact. You cannot account for this, so your understanding is wrong. >Rather than being simple-minded thugs looking to whoop-ass, they should be focused on guiding their members to increased individual bargaining power by upskilling them. Why? The bosses are also simple-minded thugs looking to use their bargaining power to pay as little as possible. That's capitalism for you. We shouldn't have one set of rules for the rich and one set for the poor.
- verteu 3y ago
  Any evidence to support this claim? Historically, unions helped workers by improving working conditions in the early industrial revolution (limbs lost from unsafe equipment, deaths due to lack of fire escapes & inadequate ventilation, women paid 1/2 wages for identical work). It's hard to imagine workers "lost in the long run" by ending these. Wiki [1] lists several studies with evidence that unions decrease worker suicide rates and occupational fatalities. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_States#Impact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_Sta...

jalapenos 3y ago

Fictitious. They might temporarily give their in-group a little boost from time to time, but workers lose in the long run. Rather than being simple-minded thugs looking to whoop-ass, they should be focused on guiding their members to increased individual bargaining power by upskilling them.

adfhietinoi 3y ago
Unions have won concessions many times that workers did not win on their own. This is a simple historical fact. You cannot account for this, so your understanding is wrong. >Rather than being simple-minded thugs looking to whoop-ass, they should be focused on guiding their members to increased individual bargaining power by upskilling them. Why? The bosses are also simple-minded thugs looking to use their bargaining power to pay as little as possible. That's capitalism for you. We shouldn't have one set of rules for the rich and one set for the poor.
verteu 3y ago
Any evidence to support this claim? Historically, unions helped workers by improving working conditions in the early industrial revolution (limbs lost from unsafe equipment, deaths due to lack of fire escapes & inadequate ventilation, women paid 1/2 wages for identical work). It's hard to imagine workers "lost in the long run" by ending these. Wiki [1] lists several studies with evidence that unions decrease worker suicide rates and occupational fatalities. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_States#Impact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_Sta...