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They left off the multiple mis-steps with US charging stations trying to do J-whatever "level 2" connectors, and chademo (which was dead on delivery), and that

They left off the multiple mis-steps with US charging stations trying to do J-whatever "level 2" connectors, and chademo (which was dead on delivery), and that CCS 1 in the US has for several years been able to deliver greater power than Tesla's. Even calling it "great" is an exaggeration. It can't support anywhere near the power delivery CCS 1 or 2 can, when 800v architecture cars are now commonplace. It's sheer fantasy calling it better than CCS2. What should have happened is someone should have mandated CCS2 for the US. It's not that Tesla's connector is better (CCS1 has the same communication/payment stuff Tesla's does), it's that the US used a installation grants and legal settlement to build out a bunch of charging infrastructure with no requirements for availability/reliability. So, shockingly, lots of charging stations went in and nobody gives a shit about maintaining them. The only problem CCS1 has is the shitty mechanical design that can't handle heavy cables. It's a problem that could be worked around simply by installing a hanging arm that supports the cable or handle. But again, there's no incentive to fix it.

_factor 3y ago
You need to look into the latest standards NACS supports. 1000v
stetrain 3y ago
NACS supports up to 1000V charging, which can easily match CCS on total charging power for 800V+ cars. There has not yet been a large rollout of 800V+ NACS chargers but Tesla is about to begin installing them, and any other charge provider (ie Electrify America) that has said they are adopting NACS can also provide 800V+ charging at equivalent speeds to their existing CCS chargers. NACS is basically CCS Type 3 at this point. It's a compact connector that is backwards-compatible with (most of) Tesla's existing Supercharger network while being compatible with CCS on a voltage, power, and communications protocol level. Really the winning feature is less the connector, and more the install base of reliable chargers from Tesla (and the trajectory of their future buildout).
hnburnsy 3y ago
That will be interesting because the Cybertruck is said to be 800v (a Tesla employee said this to Jay Leno during a tour of the Semi)
- stetrain 3y ago
  Yes, Tesla's next gen chargers (V4) will support 800V. The NACS port specification allows up to 1000V.
- kccqzy 3y ago
  You can't believe all those rumors. There's also a rumor that says the Cybertruck will be capable of megawatt charging[0] using the same system as Semi. So probably Megawatt Charging System[1]. Would you believe this kind of rumor? [0]: https://mobile.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/68779/cybertruck-to-have-1mw-charging-capability-just-like-tesla-semi/ https://mobile.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/68779/cybertruck... [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt_Charging_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt_Charging_System
mycall 3y ago
EEL ShorePower basically did the same thing for boats. Before they were screwed in connectors but now they have clamps which can fall out under any kind of storm (even at the dock), so you need some arm to hold it perpendicular to the hall (I tie rope sling).

_factor 3y ago

You need to look into the latest standards NACS supports. 1000v

stetrain 3y ago

NACS supports up to 1000V charging, which can easily match CCS on total charging power for 800V+ cars. There has not yet been a large rollout of 800V+ NACS chargers but Tesla is about to begin installing them, and any other charge provider (ie Electrify America) that has said they are adopting NACS can also provide 800V+ charging at equivalent speeds to their existing CCS chargers. NACS is basically CCS Type 3 at this point. It's a compact connector that is backwards-compatible with (most of) Tesla's existing Supercharger network while being compatible with CCS on a voltage, power, and communications protocol level. Really the winning feature is less the connector, and more the install base of reliable chargers from Tesla (and the trajectory of their future buildout).

hnburnsy 3y ago

That will be interesting because the Cybertruck is said to be 800v (a Tesla employee said this to Jay Leno during a tour of the Semi)

stetrain 3y ago
Yes, Tesla's next gen chargers (V4) will support 800V. The NACS port specification allows up to 1000V.
kccqzy 3y ago
You can't believe all those rumors. There's also a rumor that says the Cybertruck will be capable of megawatt charging[0] using the same system as Semi. So probably Megawatt Charging System[1]. Would you believe this kind of rumor? [0]: https://mobile.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/68779/cybertruck-to-have-1mw-charging-capability-just-like-tesla-semi/ https://mobile.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/68779/cybertruck... [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt_Charging_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt_Charging_System

mycall 3y ago

EEL ShorePower basically did the same thing for boats. Before they were screwed in connectors but now they have clamps which can fall out under any kind of storm (even at the dock), so you need some arm to hold it perpendicular to the hall (I tie rope sling).