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The connectors between the North American version of CCS (CCS Type 1) and the European version (CCS Type 2) are different. The NA connector had some clear disad
by stetrain 3y ago
The connectors between the North American version of CCS (CCS Type 1) and the European version (CCS Type 2) are different. The NA connector had some clear disadvantages, mainly in its locking mechanism.
The NACS standard uses CCS communication protocols. So it's as related to European CCS as CCS Type 1 was.
And in Europe Tesla uses CCS Type 2 without any discernible issues. In fact the Tesla/NACS connector would be a significant downgrade for the European market because Europe frequently uses 3-phase AC for charging and Tesla's connector does not have the pins to support that.
Tesla opening their connector last year in the US, branding it as the North America charging standard, and working with other manufacturers to get their support was driven by government intervention, namely the Infrastructure Bill which requires use of a charging connector used by multiple brands to be eligible for federal funding to build chargers.
I think Tesla's connector is great but you're missing a lot of context in your story.
- 616c 3y agoThis context you provide is interesting. Where can I read more in this specific perspective?
- throwawayUS9 3y agoI am not the OP. Here's what I found. https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/product-guides#NACS-resources https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/product-guides#NACS-r...
- stetrain 3y agohttps://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ccs-vs-nacs-teslas-sneaky-adoption-standard-just-kill-félix-amyot/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ccs-vs-nacs-teslas-sneaky-ado... https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nacs-vs-ccs-part-ii-europe-wont-move-f%2525C3%2525A9lix-amyot/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nacs-vs-ccs-part-ii-europe-wo... https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/product-guides#NACS-resources https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/product-guides#NACS-r... https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/02/28/2023-03500/national-electric-vehicle-infrastructure-standards-and-requirements https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/02/28/2023-03...
- KennyBlanken 3y agoThey left off the multiple mis-steps with US charging stations trying to do J-whatever "level 2" connectors, and chademo (which was dead on delivery), and that CCS 1 in the US has for several years been able to deliver greater power than Tesla's. Even calling it "great" is an exaggeration. It can't support anywhere near the power delivery CCS 1 or 2 can, when 800v architecture cars are now commonplace. It's sheer fantasy calling it better than CCS2. What should have happened is someone should have mandated CCS2 for the US. It's not that Tesla's connector is better (CCS1 has the same communication/payment stuff Tesla's does), it's that the US used a installation grants and legal settlement to build out a bunch of charging infrastructure with no requirements for availability/reliability. So, shockingly, lots of charging stations went in and nobody gives a shit about maintaining them. The only problem CCS1 has is the shitty mechanical design that can't handle heavy cables. It's a problem that could be worked around simply by installing a hanging arm that supports the cable or handle. But again, there's no incentive to fix it.
- _factor 3y agoYou need to look into the latest standards NACS supports. 1000v
- stetrain 3y agoNACS supports up to 1000V charging, which can easily match CCS on total charging power for 800V+ cars. There has not yet been a large rollout of 800V+ NACS chargers but Tesla is about to begin installing them, and any other charge provider (ie Electrify America) that has said they are adopting NACS can also provide 800V+ charging at equivalent speeds to their existing CCS chargers. NACS is basically CCS Type 3 at this point. It's a compact connector that is backwards-compatible with (most of) Tesla's existing Supercharger network while being compatible with CCS on a voltage, power, and communications protocol level. Really the winning feature is less the connector, and more the install base of reliable chargers from Tesla (and the trajectory of their future buildout).
- hnburnsy 3y agoThat will be interesting because the Cybertruck is said to be 800v (a Tesla employee said this to Jay Leno during a tour of the Semi)