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That's only public charge stations and most EV owners predominantly charge at home. There's also fewer than 30 gas stations per 100k people too. Tesla charges

by coryrc 3y ago

That's only public charge stations and most EV owners predominantly charge at home. There's also fewer than 30 gas stations per 100k people too. Tesla charges almost as fast, so they don't need as many slow EU chargers.

clouddrover 3y ago
> Tesla charges almost as fast, so they don't need as many slow EU chargers. No. The fastest chargers are CCS chargers. 400 kW CCS chargers are being deployed these days. Tesla doesn't do 400 kW yet on the Tesla plug (or even on CCS type 2). And Tesla's V4 charger performance with 800 volt cars is very poor at the moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJ2KtzMeh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJ2KtzMeh8 Tesla cars are mid-range in terms of charging performance. Have a look at these charging comparisons: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygATpSVvcCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygATpSVvcCU
- coryrc 3y ago
  I was mostly taking the piss with the comment about "slow EU chargers", but one public L3 charge station can replace 10+ L2 stations, and all 20k+ Tesla superchargers are L3. I can't find a reference for the share of L2 vs L3 in Europe. But I'll still argue once you have "enough" chargers, it doesn't matter if you have more, and I think there are enough Tesla superchargers as evidenced by them being the number one EV in America. No network of chargers is going to make my slow-charging, 70-mile-range 2013 Leaf convenient, compared to a 270-mile Tesla which can charge 5-10x as quick.
  - Symbiote 3y ago
    This report says 70000 fast chargers in Europe. It's not surprising. There are more EVs in Europe, and the population density is higher. China is ahead of both. https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in-charging-infrastructure https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in...

by coryrc 3y ago

clouddrover 3y ago

> Tesla charges almost as fast, so they don't need as many slow EU chargers. No. The fastest chargers are CCS chargers. 400 kW CCS chargers are being deployed these days. Tesla doesn't do 400 kW yet on the Tesla plug (or even on CCS type 2). And Tesla's V4 charger performance with 800 volt cars is very poor at the moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJ2KtzMeh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJ2KtzMeh8 Tesla cars are mid-range in terms of charging performance. Have a look at these charging comparisons: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygATpSVvcCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygATpSVvcCU

coryrc 3y ago
I was mostly taking the piss with the comment about "slow EU chargers", but one public L3 charge station can replace 10+ L2 stations, and all 20k+ Tesla superchargers are L3. I can't find a reference for the share of L2 vs L3 in Europe. But I'll still argue once you have "enough" chargers, it doesn't matter if you have more, and I think there are enough Tesla superchargers as evidenced by them being the number one EV in America. No network of chargers is going to make my slow-charging, 70-mile-range 2013 Leaf convenient, compared to a 270-mile Tesla which can charge 5-10x as quick.
- Symbiote 3y ago
  This report says 70000 fast chargers in Europe. It's not surprising. There are more EVs in Europe, and the population density is higher. China is ahead of both. https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in-charging-infrastructure https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in...