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I don't understand how all these makers are "adopting" the standard in cases where V2L is a huge selling point for their cars. NACS' implementation of V2L is l

I don't understand how all these makers are "adopting" the standard in cases where V2L is a huge selling point for their cars. NACS' implementation of V2L is literally a TODO in their "specification" doc. I'm not joking. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/as-carmakers-embrace-nacs-standard-bi-directional-charging-is-the-elephant-in-the-room-216870.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/as-carmakers-embrace-nacs...

stetrain 3y ago
They can implement V2L in the exact same way they were going to do it with the CCS connector. CCS did not specify a single way to do V2L, and current implementations by Hyundai, Ford, etc. are not standardized or brand-interoperable. While I would prefer an interoperable V2L standard, NACS is not a change for the worse in that regard. It does not prevent manufacturers from implementing whatever V2L system they wish on top of the NACS connector.
- fomine3 3y ago
  Meanwhile standardized Chademo V2X is a thing since about a decade ago.. I don't know why they still behind for it.
  - numpad0 3y ago
    Because they offer free charging for financially literate customers. The customers are going to abuse it. In their typical corporate fashion, they don't use languages to communicate on that topic.
    - pests 3y ago
      Who offers free charging?
- kccqzy 3y ago
  EDIT: I was wrong. Please see below for correction. ORIGINAL COMMENT: That's not true. You can buy a generic Lectron V2L unit that will work for both Hyundai and Ford and other brands. It's based on J1772 and it's a simple adapter.
  - stetrain 3y ago
    I was referring to Ford’s home backup system which uses DC, not AC. GM is also doing DC V2L/H for home backup.
  - stetrain 3y ago
    > The Lectron V2L adapter is compatible with the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 6 (note: it is not compatbile with other EVs) https://ev-lectron.com/collections/ev-adapters/products/lectron-v2l-adapter-compatible-with-hyundai-ioniq-5-vehicle-to-load-adapter-power-your-devices-with-your-ioniq-5-black-1-pack https://ev-lectron.com/collections/ev-adapters/products/lect...
local_crmdgeon 3y ago
Is v2l really that big a deal to people? The house side of the system is VERY expensive. Light loads ARE a big deal, but can be handled out of a standard outlet (like Ford's ProPowerOnboard thing)
- photonbeam 3y ago
  What is the cost driver? Id have assumed there was a transfer switch and dc->ac box
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    > dc->ac box That. Whole house inverters are expensive.

stetrain 3y ago

They can implement V2L in the exact same way they were going to do it with the CCS connector. CCS did not specify a single way to do V2L, and current implementations by Hyundai, Ford, etc. are not standardized or brand-interoperable. While I would prefer an interoperable V2L standard, NACS is not a change for the worse in that regard. It does not prevent manufacturers from implementing whatever V2L system they wish on top of the NACS connector.

fomine3 3y ago
Meanwhile standardized Chademo V2X is a thing since about a decade ago.. I don't know why they still behind for it.
- numpad0 3y ago
  Because they offer free charging for financially literate customers. The customers are going to abuse it. In their typical corporate fashion, they don't use languages to communicate on that topic.
  - pests 3y ago
    Who offers free charging?
kccqzy 3y ago
EDIT: I was wrong. Please see below for correction. ORIGINAL COMMENT: That's not true. You can buy a generic Lectron V2L unit that will work for both Hyundai and Ford and other brands. It's based on J1772 and it's a simple adapter.
- stetrain 3y ago
  I was referring to Ford’s home backup system which uses DC, not AC. GM is also doing DC V2L/H for home backup.
- stetrain 3y ago
  > The Lectron V2L adapter is compatible with the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 6 (note: it is not compatbile with other EVs) https://ev-lectron.com/collections/ev-adapters/products/lectron-v2l-adapter-compatible-with-hyundai-ioniq-5-vehicle-to-load-adapter-power-your-devices-with-your-ioniq-5-black-1-pack https://ev-lectron.com/collections/ev-adapters/products/lect...

local_crmdgeon 3y ago

Is v2l really that big a deal to people? The house side of the system is VERY expensive. Light loads ARE a big deal, but can be handled out of a standard outlet (like Ford's ProPowerOnboard thing)

photonbeam 3y ago
What is the cost driver? Id have assumed there was a transfer switch and dc->ac box
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  > dc->ac box That. Whole house inverters are expensive.