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The United States is far larger yet completely covered by the Tesla network. Our government handed out so much money to Electrify America and friends, yet their

by coryrc 3y ago

The United States is far larger yet completely covered by the Tesla network. Our government handed out so much money to Electrify America and friends, yet their equipment performs poorly and is usually broken. Our government is no longer capable of running projects.

Symbiote 3y ago
The EU has 106 chargers per 100,000 people, the USA has 29.
- coryrc 3y ago
  That's only public charge stations and most EV owners predominantly charge at home. There's also fewer than 30 gas stations per 100k people too. Tesla charges almost as fast, so they don't need as many slow EU chargers.
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    > Tesla charges almost as fast, so they don't need as many slow EU chargers. No. The fastest chargers are CCS chargers. 400 kW CCS chargers are being deployed these days. Tesla doesn't do 400 kW yet on the Tesla plug (or even on CCS type 2). And Tesla's V4 charger performance with 800 volt cars is very poor at the moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJ2KtzMeh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJ2KtzMeh8 Tesla cars are mid-range in terms of charging performance. Have a look at these charging comparisons: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygATpSVvcCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygATpSVvcCU
    - coryrc 3y ago
      I was mostly taking the piss with the comment about "slow EU chargers", but one public L3 charge station can replace 10+ L2 stations, and all 20k+ Tesla superchargers are L3. I can't find a reference for the share of L2 vs L3 in Europe. But I'll still argue once you have "enough" chargers, it doesn't matter if you have more, and I think there are enough Tesla superchargers as evidenced by them being the number one EV in America. No network of chargers is going to make my slow-charging, 70-mile-range 2013 Leaf convenient, compared to a 270-mile Tesla which can charge 5-10x as quick.
      - Symbiote 3y ago
        This report says 70000 fast chargers in Europe. It's not surprising. There are more EVs in Europe, and the population density is higher. China is ahead of both. https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in-charging-infrastructure https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in...
rtkwe 3y ago
Their coverage along interstates is good but outside that it's sparse at best. The government doesn't get to try running projects any more it's all incentives and public private partnerships. Also Tesla is far from a no subsidy company, it's half built on EV tax credits. https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/h_1620,w_2880,c_fit,f_auto,q_auto:best/Supercharger-Locations-Hero-Desktop-NA https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/...
- coryrc 3y ago
  You can go to 99% of the country just using superchargers. It's "sparse" in some places because their cars are long range and hardly anybody lives there, but it's still covered. There's a big difference between an EV tax credit and getting paid to install charge stations (West Coast Electric Highway) which are often broken, expensive, and slow.

by coryrc 3y ago

Symbiote 3y ago

The EU has 106 chargers per 100,000 people, the USA has 29.

coryrc 3y ago
That's only public charge stations and most EV owners predominantly charge at home. There's also fewer than 30 gas stations per 100k people too. Tesla charges almost as fast, so they don't need as many slow EU chargers.
- clouddrover 3y ago
  > Tesla charges almost as fast, so they don't need as many slow EU chargers. No. The fastest chargers are CCS chargers. 400 kW CCS chargers are being deployed these days. Tesla doesn't do 400 kW yet on the Tesla plug (or even on CCS type 2). And Tesla's V4 charger performance with 800 volt cars is very poor at the moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJ2KtzMeh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJ2KtzMeh8 Tesla cars are mid-range in terms of charging performance. Have a look at these charging comparisons: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygATpSVvcCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygATpSVvcCU
  - coryrc 3y ago
    I was mostly taking the piss with the comment about "slow EU chargers", but one public L3 charge station can replace 10+ L2 stations, and all 20k+ Tesla superchargers are L3. I can't find a reference for the share of L2 vs L3 in Europe. But I'll still argue once you have "enough" chargers, it doesn't matter if you have more, and I think there are enough Tesla superchargers as evidenced by them being the number one EV in America. No network of chargers is going to make my slow-charging, 70-mile-range 2013 Leaf convenient, compared to a 270-mile Tesla which can charge 5-10x as quick.
    - Symbiote 3y ago
      This report says 70000 fast chargers in Europe. It's not surprising. There are more EVs in Europe, and the population density is higher. China is ahead of both. https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in-charging-infrastructure https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in...

rtkwe 3y ago

Their coverage along interstates is good but outside that it's sparse at best. The government doesn't get to try running projects any more it's all incentives and public private partnerships. Also Tesla is far from a no subsidy company, it's half built on EV tax credits. https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/h_1620,w_2880,c_fit,f_auto,q_auto:best/Supercharger-Locations-Hero-Desktop-NA https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/...

coryrc 3y ago
You can go to 99% of the country just using superchargers. It's "sparse" in some places because their cars are long range and hardly anybody lives there, but it's still covered. There's a big difference between an EV tax credit and getting paid to install charge stations (West Coast Electric Highway) which are often broken, expensive, and slow.