3 ms·

> Now it's 2023 - the Tesla connector is superior to the European standard, European EV companies still lag behind and the Tesla standard is being adapted by th

> Now it's 2023 - the Tesla connector is superior to the European standard, European EV companies still lag behind and the Tesla standard is being adapted by the industry without any government intervention. This is a misunderstanding of the situation. The reality is Europe is a long way ahead of North America on EV infrastructure. The European charging networks are compatible with all EVs because of standardization. More investment has gone into charger manufacturing and charging network deployment because of standardization. You've been able to charge other brands on a Tesla chargers for a long time in Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ You can charge your EV on a 400 kW charger from Alpitronic and FastNed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ZWN_-a2j4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ZWN_-a2j4 Or use a 400 kW charger from Kempower and Shell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR2M5W6saAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR2M5W6saAk Or charge your Volvo truck on a 350 kW Ionity charger. Why not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA Or charge whatever EV on whatever charging network you like. Europe has done EV infrastructure right. And they've got a plan to make it even better: https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-energies/europe/article/fast-chargers-every-60-km-key-eu-motorways?a=FJA05&t%5B0%5D=Charging&curl=1 https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-energies/europe/article/f... In contrast, North America continues to thrash about trying to arrive at a charging standard. It's still going to be years of fiddling around to get anywhere near where Europe already is. The result North America has ended up with is CCS chargers with Tesla's plug on the end. North America could have and should have got to standardization sooner.

coryrc 3y ago
The United States is far larger yet completely covered by the Tesla network. Our government handed out so much money to Electrify America and friends, yet their equipment performs poorly and is usually broken. Our government is no longer capable of running projects.
- Symbiote 3y ago
  The EU has 106 chargers per 100,000 people, the USA has 29.
  - coryrc 3y ago
    That's only public charge stations and most EV owners predominantly charge at home. There's also fewer than 30 gas stations per 100k people too. Tesla charges almost as fast, so they don't need as many slow EU chargers.
    - clouddrover 3y ago
      > Tesla charges almost as fast, so they don't need as many slow EU chargers. No. The fastest chargers are CCS chargers. 400 kW CCS chargers are being deployed these days. Tesla doesn't do 400 kW yet on the Tesla plug (or even on CCS type 2). And Tesla's V4 charger performance with 800 volt cars is very poor at the moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJ2KtzMeh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJ2KtzMeh8 Tesla cars are mid-range in terms of charging performance. Have a look at these charging comparisons: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygATpSVvcCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygATpSVvcCU
      - coryrc 3y ago
        I was mostly taking the piss with the comment about "slow EU chargers", but one public L3 charge station can replace 10+ L2 stations, and all 20k+ Tesla superchargers are L3. I can't find a reference for the share of L2 vs L3 in Europe. But I'll still argue once you have "enough" chargers, it doesn't matter if you have more, and I think there are enough Tesla superchargers as evidenced by them being the number one EV in America. No network of chargers is going to make my slow-charging, 70-mile-range 2013 Leaf convenient, compared to a 270-mile Tesla which can charge 5-10x as quick.
        Symbiote 3y ago
        This report says 70000 fast chargers in Europe. It's not surprising. There are more EVs in Europe, and the population density is higher. China is ahead of both. https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in-charging-infrastructure https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in...
- rtkwe 3y ago
  Their coverage along interstates is good but outside that it's sparse at best. The government doesn't get to try running projects any more it's all incentives and public private partnerships. Also Tesla is far from a no subsidy company, it's half built on EV tax credits. https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/h_1620,w_2880,c_fit,f_auto,q_auto:best/Supercharger-Locations-Hero-Desktop-NA https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/...
  - coryrc 3y ago
    You can go to 99% of the country just using superchargers. It's "sparse" in some places because their cars are long range and hardly anybody lives there, but it's still covered. There's a big difference between an EV tax credit and getting paid to install charge stations (West Coast Electric Highway) which are often broken, expensive, and slow.

coryrc 3y ago

The United States is far larger yet completely covered by the Tesla network. Our government handed out so much money to Electrify America and friends, yet their equipment performs poorly and is usually broken. Our government is no longer capable of running projects.

Symbiote 3y ago
The EU has 106 chargers per 100,000 people, the USA has 29.
- coryrc 3y ago
  That's only public charge stations and most EV owners predominantly charge at home. There's also fewer than 30 gas stations per 100k people too. Tesla charges almost as fast, so they don't need as many slow EU chargers.
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    > Tesla charges almost as fast, so they don't need as many slow EU chargers. No. The fastest chargers are CCS chargers. 400 kW CCS chargers are being deployed these days. Tesla doesn't do 400 kW yet on the Tesla plug (or even on CCS type 2). And Tesla's V4 charger performance with 800 volt cars is very poor at the moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJ2KtzMeh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJ2KtzMeh8 Tesla cars are mid-range in terms of charging performance. Have a look at these charging comparisons: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygATpSVvcCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygATpSVvcCU
    - coryrc 3y ago
      I was mostly taking the piss with the comment about "slow EU chargers", but one public L3 charge station can replace 10+ L2 stations, and all 20k+ Tesla superchargers are L3. I can't find a reference for the share of L2 vs L3 in Europe. But I'll still argue once you have "enough" chargers, it doesn't matter if you have more, and I think there are enough Tesla superchargers as evidenced by them being the number one EV in America. No network of chargers is going to make my slow-charging, 70-mile-range 2013 Leaf convenient, compared to a 270-mile Tesla which can charge 5-10x as quick.
      - Symbiote 3y ago
        This report says 70000 fast chargers in Europe. It's not surprising. There are more EVs in Europe, and the population density is higher. China is ahead of both. https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in-charging-infrastructure https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in...
rtkwe 3y ago
Their coverage along interstates is good but outside that it's sparse at best. The government doesn't get to try running projects any more it's all incentives and public private partnerships. Also Tesla is far from a no subsidy company, it's half built on EV tax credits. https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/h_1620,w_2880,c_fit,f_auto,q_auto:best/Supercharger-Locations-Hero-Desktop-NA https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/...
- coryrc 3y ago
  You can go to 99% of the country just using superchargers. It's "sparse" in some places because their cars are long range and hardly anybody lives there, but it's still covered. There's a big difference between an EV tax credit and getting paid to install charge stations (West Coast Electric Highway) which are often broken, expensive, and slow.