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On Stewart's Apple TV Plus show ends, reportedly over coverage of AI and China

75 points by thecybernerd 3y ago

xenospn 3y ago
I love how the PRC now gets to dictate our content moderation policies (on a show that’s not even available in China).
- gaoryrt 3y ago
  Apple needs that big cake, so they won't let it happen.
  - musicale 3y ago
    Nice iPhone factory you have there.
- botanical 3y ago
  More like Apple decided to self-censor so as to not provoke China, which is despicable. Same happened with Disney and praising the local government where Uyghurs are put in internment camps.
- ksec 3y ago
  >I love how the PRC now gets to dictate our content moderation policies It is not now, They have been doing this for close to a decade.
tpmx 3y ago
(... and the story is flagged.) In case anyone missed his Colbert appearance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSfejgwbDQ8&t=171s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSfejgwbDQ8&t=171s
- pengaru 3y ago
  That's not the money clip, this is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V_sEqfIL9Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V_sEqfIL9Q Especially the latter portion.
  - zenapollo 3y ago
    Jon has some great points here about let’s have the hard conversations, and i support his fearless contrarianism. However it’s more of a moralistic liberal ideal than anything resembling a real solution. I think one of the misses is the implication that we can treat people like intelligent adults, and allow them to show up as adults. Vs if we censor conversations (infantilizing the audience) the bad ideas will metastasize. If we if had to choose between metastasize and sepsis, the choice is clear. If we are talking about a school environment i would 100 agree with Jon. But i think the larger population has proven that they are not intelligent adults (a really sad state) and can not be trusted with bad ideas prone to virality. I lean with Jon’s idealism. I prefer the new Twitter over the old. But the tradeoffs are nuanced. There are not many clear and articulate thinkers equipped for the insanely complex times we find ourselves in.
    - prepend 3y ago
      > If we if had to choose between metastasize and sepsis, the choice is clear. Fortunately, that is not the choice here. Strawman reductionism is not very productive, especially when dealing with really important consequences like reducing interactions and genuine connections between people.
      - zenapollo 3y ago
        I agree with you it’s not a dichotomy of one or the other happening per se, rather the choice is the risk of one vs the other happening. The risk that a nation could become fully infected with racist or tribalist views is unfortunately anything but a straw man. I’m not arguing for anything resembling censorship, but i think there’s a reason that moderation on social media platforms is a big topic right now.
mdaniel 3y ago
I thought this was r/TitleGore but it turns out that thecybernerd just chose to omit the leading "J" from the title: (Jon Stewart)'s (Apple TV Plus) show ...
pengaru 3y ago
> Apple approached Stewart directly and expressed its need for the host and > his team to be "aligned" with the company's views on topics discussed. > Rather than falling in line when Apple threatened to cancel the show, > Stewart reportedly decided to walk How do you Apple fanboys turn a blind eye to this level of bullshit.
- michael1999 3y ago
  I don’t. But I do find them more aligned with my interests elsewhere. Much more so than Google, Facebook, Samsung, or the other monsters out there. Pick your poison.
  - tpmx 3y ago
    You don't have to pick a team.
    - prepend 3y ago
      I use the best tool for my problem. This doesn’t mean I pick a team.
- halJordan 3y ago
  Jon Stewart has never been a journalist, he's always been an entertainer. The Daily Show was not news, it was entertainment. His current iteration is worse because he now he pretends to do real news where before he was self aware of being entertainment, it was part of the joke. But he isn't different from Tucker or Maddow. He's now just cranking the Rage Machine to get his nut. The outrage on your part is just as false as the outrage he spews. He's entertainment. His entertainment should be controlled and owned by the people paying for it. There's no editorial independence to protect because it's not journalism.
  - pengaru 3y ago
    > The outrage on your part is just as false as the outrage he spews. You think this is outrage? I think you're missing the forest for the trees.
methou 3y ago
This isn’t the first time Apple bends to the Chinese regulators. You can’t type Taiwanese flag on Chinese versions of Apple hardwares, code was one liner clean, but that was a beginning. Then we see that Chinese state level anti-scam app came preinstalled on brand new iPhones on Chinese models. Get a Chinese SIM card or have your iPhone under a Chinese base station, you’ll find some difference. I’m sure Apple has done some great effort to prevent anything worse. But getting China to dictate the content maker part of Apple may be another milestone.
mdaniel 3y ago
for future generations who stumble upon this, the NYT link (which actually has the correct title) is getting quite a bit of action: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37955468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37955468

75 points by thecybernerd 3y ago

xenospn 3y ago

I love how the PRC now gets to dictate our content moderation policies (on a show that’s not even available in China).

gaoryrt 3y ago
Apple needs that big cake, so they won't let it happen.
- musicale 3y ago
  Nice iPhone factory you have there.
botanical 3y ago
More like Apple decided to self-censor so as to not provoke China, which is despicable. Same happened with Disney and praising the local government where Uyghurs are put in internment camps.
ksec 3y ago
>I love how the PRC now gets to dictate our content moderation policies It is not now, They have been doing this for close to a decade.

tpmx 3y ago

(... and the story is flagged.) In case anyone missed his Colbert appearance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSfejgwbDQ8&t=171s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSfejgwbDQ8&t=171s

pengaru 3y ago
That's not the money clip, this is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V_sEqfIL9Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V_sEqfIL9Q Especially the latter portion.
- zenapollo 3y ago
  Jon has some great points here about let’s have the hard conversations, and i support his fearless contrarianism. However it’s more of a moralistic liberal ideal than anything resembling a real solution. I think one of the misses is the implication that we can treat people like intelligent adults, and allow them to show up as adults. Vs if we censor conversations (infantilizing the audience) the bad ideas will metastasize. If we if had to choose between metastasize and sepsis, the choice is clear. If we are talking about a school environment i would 100 agree with Jon. But i think the larger population has proven that they are not intelligent adults (a really sad state) and can not be trusted with bad ideas prone to virality. I lean with Jon’s idealism. I prefer the new Twitter over the old. But the tradeoffs are nuanced. There are not many clear and articulate thinkers equipped for the insanely complex times we find ourselves in.
  - prepend 3y ago
    > If we if had to choose between metastasize and sepsis, the choice is clear. Fortunately, that is not the choice here. Strawman reductionism is not very productive, especially when dealing with really important consequences like reducing interactions and genuine connections between people.
    - zenapollo 3y ago
      I agree with you it’s not a dichotomy of one or the other happening per se, rather the choice is the risk of one vs the other happening. The risk that a nation could become fully infected with racist or tribalist views is unfortunately anything but a straw man. I’m not arguing for anything resembling censorship, but i think there’s a reason that moderation on social media platforms is a big topic right now.

mdaniel 3y ago

I thought this was r/TitleGore but it turns out that thecybernerd just chose to omit the leading "J" from the title: (Jon Stewart)'s (Apple TV Plus) show ...

pengaru 3y ago

> Apple approached Stewart directly and expressed its need for the host and > his team to be "aligned" with the company's views on topics discussed. > Rather than falling in line when Apple threatened to cancel the show, > Stewart reportedly decided to walk How do you Apple fanboys turn a blind eye to this level of bullshit.

michael1999 3y ago
I don’t. But I do find them more aligned with my interests elsewhere. Much more so than Google, Facebook, Samsung, or the other monsters out there. Pick your poison.
- tpmx 3y ago
  You don't have to pick a team.
  - prepend 3y ago
    I use the best tool for my problem. This doesn’t mean I pick a team.
halJordan 3y ago
Jon Stewart has never been a journalist, he's always been an entertainer. The Daily Show was not news, it was entertainment. His current iteration is worse because he now he pretends to do real news where before he was self aware of being entertainment, it was part of the joke. But he isn't different from Tucker or Maddow. He's now just cranking the Rage Machine to get his nut. The outrage on your part is just as false as the outrage he spews. He's entertainment. His entertainment should be controlled and owned by the people paying for it. There's no editorial independence to protect because it's not journalism.
- pengaru 3y ago
  > The outrage on your part is just as false as the outrage he spews. You think this is outrage? I think you're missing the forest for the trees.

methou 3y ago

This isn’t the first time Apple bends to the Chinese regulators. You can’t type Taiwanese flag on Chinese versions of Apple hardwares, code was one liner clean, but that was a beginning. Then we see that Chinese state level anti-scam app came preinstalled on brand new iPhones on Chinese models. Get a Chinese SIM card or have your iPhone under a Chinese base station, you’ll find some difference. I’m sure Apple has done some great effort to prevent anything worse. But getting China to dictate the content maker part of Apple may be another milestone.

mdaniel 3y ago

for future generations who stumble upon this, the NYT link (which actually has the correct title) is getting quite a bit of action: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37955468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37955468