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This is cut off for me. The article seems to be doing some wordplay. Is it actually translating that one phrase to the terrorist thing? Or is it translating a

This is cut off for me. The article seems to be doing some wordplay. Is it actually translating that one phrase to the terrorist thing? Or is it translating a passage that includes that phrase and is semantically much closer to the terrorist thing?

alephnerd 3y ago
It's translating "alhamdulillah" to "Terrorist". "Alhamdulillah" is Arabic for "Praise be to god" and (edit: to my ear at least) is used by Muslims (edit: by Arabic speakers more often) nowadays as an alternative to Allah u Akbar, Takbir, or Narai-e-Takbir because (edit: I think) those 3 terms have increasingly been co-opted. This is the equivalent of translating "Praise Jesus" to "I love god and hate abortions"
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  Is that the whole passage? It probably doesn’t matter. I’m just curious because the exact claim I see is > The "see translation" feature for user bios was auto-translating phrases that included "Palestinian" and “alhamdulillah” into "Praise be to god, Palestinian terrorists are fighting for their freedom." Which reads oddly
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    It seems that Meta probably dynamically trains their MT algo on near realtime discourse to better model linguistic shift. It seems like a smart move, but if you have extremely charged discourse like over the past week, it probably overtrains for inaccuracies.
  - AskSocialist 3y ago
    [flagged]
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  Alhamdulillah is not some recently coined alternative, it has been one of Arabic’s stock expressions for centuries and centuries. It is what Arabic-speaking people (and not just Muslims) have always said after something good happens. It is what Muslims customarily say as they get up from eating a meal, or oddly enough, after they sneeze.
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    > is not some recently coined alternative, it has been one of Arabic’s stock expressions for centuries and centuries Yep! But a lot of people nowadays will use Alhamdulillah in scenarios where you could just as well use "Allah u Akbar" now. There definitely was a linguistic shift over the past few decades. I also don't hear people saying "Inshallah" as much anymore. > after they sneeze "Bless you"
    - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
      This site[0] claims that the use of Alhamdulillah after sneezing goes back to, among others, a Hadith tradition that Allah likes sneezing and dislikes yawning. So, rather different from the Christian use of “bless you”, and I think that a lot of people outside Islam would still agree with the “oddly enough”. I’m surprised that you hear inshallah less nowadays. It would be interesting to get some hard data on that. Inshallah is the one phrase that has never left even my Arab acquaintances who are proudly atheist. [0] https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2750/why-do-muslims-say-al-hamdu-lillah-after-they-sneeze https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2750/why-do-muslims-say-al-h...
      - AskSocialist 3y ago
        [flagged]
    - elashri 3y ago
      What are the scenarios that you can Alhamdulillah instead of "Allah u Akbar" that is being used today by Muslims? I'm asking as a Muslim who never do that and have never heard anything like this claim. So it would be interested to know if you have different experience. It is obvious when to say both, but many people here are considering themselves experts on Islam don't even know the basics.
- bilalq 3y ago
  > "Alhamdulillah" [...] is used by Muslims nowadays as an alternative to Allah u Akbar, Takbir, or Narai-e-Takbir because those 3 terms have been co-opted by Jihadists. This is not correct. Almost all of those phrases are commonly used in daily speech and prayers by Muslims globally. No group could possibly co-opt them. They are deeply rooted traditions.
  - morbicer 3y ago
    No one can co-opt it but it's like Pepe frog... Once a group that you don't want to be affiliated with starts to using it and the "outside" world associates the the symbol primarily with the "baddies", you rather look for another symbol There definitely seems to be a trend of people abandoning Allahu Akbar https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Alhamdulillah,Allahu%20Akbar&hl=en-US https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Alhamdul...
    - bilalq 3y ago
      No, this is not at all comparable to the Pepe frog meme. No one is going to look for another symbol here. That trend graph is for search interest. It's not surprising that we're past peak searches for that from non-Muslim majority countries and regions. With all due respect, you're just wrong here. There is no trend of people abandoning this phrase. This would be like trying to say crosses were co-opted by the KKK so churches are getting rid of them and people are going to stop wearing jewelry with them. It's part of the call to prayer, part of the five daily prayers, part of supplication and dhikr, and part of many other Islamic traditions.
- smusamashah 3y ago
  No. It correctly translated Alhamdulillah as Praise be God. But then looking at Palestine and the flag emoji, it appended that terrorist sentence with Palestine.

alephnerd 3y ago

It's translating "alhamdulillah" to "Terrorist". "Alhamdulillah" is Arabic for "Praise be to god" and (edit: to my ear at least) is used by Muslims (edit: by Arabic speakers more often) nowadays as an alternative to Allah u Akbar, Takbir, or Narai-e-Takbir because (edit: I think) those 3 terms have increasingly been co-opted. This is the equivalent of translating "Praise Jesus" to "I love god and hate abortions"

jncfhnb 3y ago
Is that the whole passage? It probably doesn’t matter. I’m just curious because the exact claim I see is > The "see translation" feature for user bios was auto-translating phrases that included "Palestinian" and “alhamdulillah” into "Praise be to god, Palestinian terrorists are fighting for their freedom." Which reads oddly
- alephnerd 3y ago
  It seems that Meta probably dynamically trains their MT algo on near realtime discourse to better model linguistic shift. It seems like a smart move, but if you have extremely charged discourse like over the past week, it probably overtrains for inaccuracies.
- AskSocialist 3y ago
  [flagged]
OfSanguineFire 3y ago
Alhamdulillah is not some recently coined alternative, it has been one of Arabic’s stock expressions for centuries and centuries. It is what Arabic-speaking people (and not just Muslims) have always said after something good happens. It is what Muslims customarily say as they get up from eating a meal, or oddly enough, after they sneeze.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  > is not some recently coined alternative, it has been one of Arabic’s stock expressions for centuries and centuries Yep! But a lot of people nowadays will use Alhamdulillah in scenarios where you could just as well use "Allah u Akbar" now. There definitely was a linguistic shift over the past few decades. I also don't hear people saying "Inshallah" as much anymore. > after they sneeze "Bless you"
  - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
    This site[0] claims that the use of Alhamdulillah after sneezing goes back to, among others, a Hadith tradition that Allah likes sneezing and dislikes yawning. So, rather different from the Christian use of “bless you”, and I think that a lot of people outside Islam would still agree with the “oddly enough”. I’m surprised that you hear inshallah less nowadays. It would be interesting to get some hard data on that. Inshallah is the one phrase that has never left even my Arab acquaintances who are proudly atheist. [0] https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2750/why-do-muslims-say-al-hamdu-lillah-after-they-sneeze https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2750/why-do-muslims-say-al-h...
    - AskSocialist 3y ago
      [flagged]
  - elashri 3y ago
    What are the scenarios that you can Alhamdulillah instead of "Allah u Akbar" that is being used today by Muslims? I'm asking as a Muslim who never do that and have never heard anything like this claim. So it would be interested to know if you have different experience. It is obvious when to say both, but many people here are considering themselves experts on Islam don't even know the basics.
bilalq 3y ago
> "Alhamdulillah" [...] is used by Muslims nowadays as an alternative to Allah u Akbar, Takbir, or Narai-e-Takbir because those 3 terms have been co-opted by Jihadists. This is not correct. Almost all of those phrases are commonly used in daily speech and prayers by Muslims globally. No group could possibly co-opt them. They are deeply rooted traditions.
- morbicer 3y ago
  No one can co-opt it but it's like Pepe frog... Once a group that you don't want to be affiliated with starts to using it and the "outside" world associates the the symbol primarily with the "baddies", you rather look for another symbol There definitely seems to be a trend of people abandoning Allahu Akbar https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Alhamdulillah,Allahu%20Akbar&hl=en-US https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Alhamdul...
  - bilalq 3y ago
    No, this is not at all comparable to the Pepe frog meme. No one is going to look for another symbol here. That trend graph is for search interest. It's not surprising that we're past peak searches for that from non-Muslim majority countries and regions. With all due respect, you're just wrong here. There is no trend of people abandoning this phrase. This would be like trying to say crosses were co-opted by the KKK so churches are getting rid of them and people are going to stop wearing jewelry with them. It's part of the call to prayer, part of the five daily prayers, part of supplication and dhikr, and part of many other Islamic traditions.
smusamashah 3y ago
No. It correctly translated Alhamdulillah as Praise be God. But then looking at Palestine and the flag emoji, it appended that terrorist sentence with Palestine.