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Bringing up Telegram in this context makes it quite funny, since Telegram users seem not to care about the safety of the contents of their chats at all in this

Bringing up Telegram in this context makes it quite funny, since Telegram users seem not to care about the safety of the contents of their chats at all in this shady black box. Phone numbers are a quite ridiculously small problem compared to that.

wkat4242 3y ago
I use telegram mostly for chats to public groups that anyone can join anyway. So the end to end point is kinda moot. Same with IRC for example. This is why nobody complains about it not having that.
codedokode 3y ago
No. If you join a public chat in Telegram you don't have to share your phone number with other members so you don't have to be afraid that they will find you in real life. You can write anything you want. But with WhatsApp or Signal you have to share a phone number with everyone which means they can easily find who you are and where you live (this data is cheaply sold on black market).
- Krasnol 3y ago
  Your group chats go into a black box unencrypted. You don't know what happens to it because it's not E2E. You also gave your phone number to this shady company who runs those servers which keep everything you wrote. Even Whatsapp is better than this. And what is that phone number fetish? It's not like it is some magic identifier. There are bots out there testing every number out there and sending you SNS spam. Your phone number is worthless. As far as I remember, you can still find people on Telegram by searching for phone numbers. Isn't there even an automatic discovery feature? The Telegram salt around those announcements seems like the final cry of Telegram fans to me because after that, there is absolutely nothing which would even remotely paint Telegram as a safe or secure messenger. Especially because everybody know why you are on Telegram. It's a different use case. I talk on Signal to people I know personally. They already have my number. People I know go on Telegram for porn and piracy over here. They still have Whatsapp or Signal to talk to their friends and family. They actually are ashamed that they have Telegram because everybody here know why they have it ;)
  - codedokode 3y ago
    In WhatsApp or Signal your number is visible and anyone in a public group can know who you are and burn down your house if you write something they didn't like. Yes, Telegram knows your number and your messages but it is unlikely that they will give them out to random weirdo^W manly person with strong sense of injustice.
    - Krasnol 3y ago
      There are no "public groups" in Signal. Don't know about Whatsapp since I don't have it anymore. All of my groups consist of people I know. You still don't understand the use case. > elegram knows your number and your messages but it is unlikely that they will give them out How do you know that? Do you know the people personally or where is your knowledge coming from because if you don't know them, you are just another user who gave out all of their chat contents AND the phone number to "some people somewhere". Nothing else. You have no guarantee for anything, and you should already know that they do act upon requests from governments. Google it.
      - daveloyall 3y ago
        Group Settings > Group Link Then share the link publicly. Signal Public Groups.
        Krasnol 3y ago
        Which are...where? Who does this? How is the spread of this compared to Telegram groups? Why do you keep on pushing for the wrong use case?
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Telegram is not only used for porn and piracy. In fact there's much better places to get those things. I just use it to follow events at clubs in interested in. There's a bit of an overlap with Instagram but I find the telegram experience nicer. Less ads, no stupid 'reels' forced upon me.

wkat4242 3y ago

I use telegram mostly for chats to public groups that anyone can join anyway. So the end to end point is kinda moot. Same with IRC for example. This is why nobody complains about it not having that.

codedokode 3y ago

No. If you join a public chat in Telegram you don't have to share your phone number with other members so you don't have to be afraid that they will find you in real life. You can write anything you want. But with WhatsApp or Signal you have to share a phone number with everyone which means they can easily find who you are and where you live (this data is cheaply sold on black market).

Krasnol 3y ago
Your group chats go into a black box unencrypted. You don't know what happens to it because it's not E2E. You also gave your phone number to this shady company who runs those servers which keep everything you wrote. Even Whatsapp is better than this. And what is that phone number fetish? It's not like it is some magic identifier. There are bots out there testing every number out there and sending you SNS spam. Your phone number is worthless. As far as I remember, you can still find people on Telegram by searching for phone numbers. Isn't there even an automatic discovery feature? The Telegram salt around those announcements seems like the final cry of Telegram fans to me because after that, there is absolutely nothing which would even remotely paint Telegram as a safe or secure messenger. Especially because everybody know why you are on Telegram. It's a different use case. I talk on Signal to people I know personally. They already have my number. People I know go on Telegram for porn and piracy over here. They still have Whatsapp or Signal to talk to their friends and family. They actually are ashamed that they have Telegram because everybody here know why they have it ;)
- codedokode 3y ago
  In WhatsApp or Signal your number is visible and anyone in a public group can know who you are and burn down your house if you write something they didn't like. Yes, Telegram knows your number and your messages but it is unlikely that they will give them out to random weirdo^W manly person with strong sense of injustice.
  - Krasnol 3y ago
    There are no "public groups" in Signal. Don't know about Whatsapp since I don't have it anymore. All of my groups consist of people I know. You still don't understand the use case. > elegram knows your number and your messages but it is unlikely that they will give them out How do you know that? Do you know the people personally or where is your knowledge coming from because if you don't know them, you are just another user who gave out all of their chat contents AND the phone number to "some people somewhere". Nothing else. You have no guarantee for anything, and you should already know that they do act upon requests from governments. Google it.
    - daveloyall 3y ago
      Group Settings > Group Link Then share the link publicly. Signal Public Groups.
      - Krasnol 3y ago
        Which are...where? Who does this? How is the spread of this compared to Telegram groups? Why do you keep on pushing for the wrong use case?
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Telegram is not only used for porn and piracy. In fact there's much better places to get those things. I just use it to follow events at clubs in interested in. There's a bit of an overlap with Instagram but I find the telegram experience nicer. Less ads, no stupid 'reels' forced upon me.