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What's egregious to you? I personally don't mind if doxxers, racists, or criminals(war thunder leak?) get the ban hammer immediately.

_chu1 3y ago
It's stupid and egregious to ban someone for "breaking TOS" or "sharing harmful information" and not telling them exactly what they did and where they did it, no matter what you see them as.
- bachmeier 3y ago
  Only from the perspective of the person getting banned. From the perspective of the person paying the bills, you're paying someone to spend time explaining why you kicked them out, and then you're paying them to discuss the reasoning, and then you're paying them to discuss the reason with hundreds of users that don't think there's anything wrong with calling someone [some word]. Not only that, you're doing that to satisfy the curiosity of someone you've decided you don't want anywhere near your site. I'd be on board with your line of argument if it involved a payment of $X to cover out-of-pocket expenses and the hassle of dealing with BS.
  - _chu1 3y ago
    Nobody wanted to "have a chance to explain themselves". I just wanna be told what got me banned, not a complex request.
    - chmod775 3y ago
      >I just wanna However in this instance they (Discord) would have no reason to care about what you want, so saying that you want something is really no argument.
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- tuatoru 3y ago
  Off topic but I can't resist: happens to a lot of people accused of sexual harassment at work. They get permabanned from work, and don't know what they said or did, nor when, where, or to whom.
jjoonathan 3y ago
Let's look through your post history. How many comments before we can come up with a reason to ban you that would be widely accepted in most contexts? 3. > I worked with a well know hacker Holy shit, we've got a confessed security risk on our hands! Ban immediately, before bastardoperator hacks us all!
- bastardoperator 3y ago
  I love how you left out the "/author"... I'm sorry, where are we again?
  - b59831 3y ago
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  - hnaccount141 3y ago
    That's the whole point. Permabanning on the first offense ignores the reality that these large-scale moderation systems (automated or human) tend to lack nuance and context-awareness, leading to false positives. A system of escalating warnings adds slack to protect good-faith users from those sorts of moderation failures.
    - bastardoperator 3y ago
      So if someone shares CP on discord you think they should be given a warning and not permabanned? The justice system isn't going to give them any slack so why should a private entity? Where do you draw the line? I asked in my initial comment, "What's egregious to you". No one will answer that...
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      - jrajav 3y ago
        > So if someone shares CP on discord you think they should be given a warning and not permabanned? "Think of the children" is consistently used as an escape hatch to avoid actually doing due diligence in enforcement and moderation. You aren't protecting anyone by lazily granting root to content moderation / surveillance / whatever system is under discussion. You're just making those systems worse.
10000truths 3y ago
Sure, as long as they're told why they're banned.
- bastardoperator 3y ago
  They were banned for doxxing 13 year olds in call of duty lobby and calling them the N word... I'm sure everyone feels so much better now. That's what you need? Really...
  - decremental 3y ago
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Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
Doxxing, threats of violence, CSAM, for sure. Dropping a racial slur? Nah, I'd let that be a 1-hour timeout that begins the next time you try to send a message. As someone else said, teenagers like to test boundaries and be edgy. Show them where the boundaries are and let them have a chance to correct their behavior.

_chu1 3y ago

It's stupid and egregious to ban someone for "breaking TOS" or "sharing harmful information" and not telling them exactly what they did and where they did it, no matter what you see them as.

bachmeier 3y ago
Only from the perspective of the person getting banned. From the perspective of the person paying the bills, you're paying someone to spend time explaining why you kicked them out, and then you're paying them to discuss the reasoning, and then you're paying them to discuss the reason with hundreds of users that don't think there's anything wrong with calling someone [some word]. Not only that, you're doing that to satisfy the curiosity of someone you've decided you don't want anywhere near your site. I'd be on board with your line of argument if it involved a payment of $X to cover out-of-pocket expenses and the hassle of dealing with BS.
- _chu1 3y ago
  Nobody wanted to "have a chance to explain themselves". I just wanna be told what got me banned, not a complex request.
  - chmod775 3y ago
    >I just wanna However in this instance they (Discord) would have no reason to care about what you want, so saying that you want something is really no argument.
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tuatoru 3y ago
Off topic but I can't resist: happens to a lot of people accused of sexual harassment at work. They get permabanned from work, and don't know what they said or did, nor when, where, or to whom.

jjoonathan 3y ago

Let's look through your post history. How many comments before we can come up with a reason to ban you that would be widely accepted in most contexts? 3. > I worked with a well know hacker Holy shit, we've got a confessed security risk on our hands! Ban immediately, before bastardoperator hacks us all!

bastardoperator 3y ago
I love how you left out the "/author"... I'm sorry, where are we again?
- b59831 3y ago
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- hnaccount141 3y ago
  That's the whole point. Permabanning on the first offense ignores the reality that these large-scale moderation systems (automated or human) tend to lack nuance and context-awareness, leading to false positives. A system of escalating warnings adds slack to protect good-faith users from those sorts of moderation failures.
  - bastardoperator 3y ago
    So if someone shares CP on discord you think they should be given a warning and not permabanned? The justice system isn't going to give them any slack so why should a private entity? Where do you draw the line? I asked in my initial comment, "What's egregious to you". No one will answer that...
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    - jrajav 3y ago
      > So if someone shares CP on discord you think they should be given a warning and not permabanned? "Think of the children" is consistently used as an escape hatch to avoid actually doing due diligence in enforcement and moderation. You aren't protecting anyone by lazily granting root to content moderation / surveillance / whatever system is under discussion. You're just making those systems worse.

10000truths 3y ago

Sure, as long as they're told why they're banned.

bastardoperator 3y ago
They were banned for doxxing 13 year olds in call of duty lobby and calling them the N word... I'm sure everyone feels so much better now. That's what you need? Really...
- decremental 3y ago
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Sohcahtoa82 3y ago

Doxxing, threats of violence, CSAM, for sure. Dropping a racial slur? Nah, I'd let that be a 1-hour timeout that begins the next time you try to send a message. As someone else said, teenagers like to test boundaries and be edgy. Show them where the boundaries are and let them have a chance to correct their behavior.