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this could easily have happened with non-AI translations

nerdponx 3y ago
Notice that GP said "machine translation", not "AI". Let's think of it instead as a "nonlinear high-dimensional sequence translation model trained on some large and unknown corpus". Does that make it less problematic?
- mcguire 3y ago
  How is that not AI?
  - HeWhoLurksLate 3y ago
    because it isn't smart?
    - bobthepanda 3y ago
      Stupidity and ignorance aren’t enough to excuse liability.
  - kibibu 3y ago
    Statistical machine translation is one of those areas that was considered AI until it worked, then it just became tech. See also: speech recognition, grammar checking, OCR, theorem proving
  - nerdponx 3y ago
    That was kind of my point. I don't think we should be quick to distinguish between "AI" and other algorithms/techniques, because what makes something "AI" is more a matter of opinion and perspective than anything else.
    - rat9988 3y ago
      Then you just missed that non-AI means human depending on context.
      - nerdponx 3y ago
        I don't believe that this could have easily happened with human translation except as an instance of deliberate malice or improbably enormous ineptitude, so I assigned a very low prior probability to that interpretation.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  No? Why would it?
elil17 3y ago
If a human translator translated "Praise god" as "Palestinian terrorists are fighting for their freedom" I'm pretty sure they'd be fired immediately. In contrast, Instagram is not going to be taking down their machine translation tool.
- permo-w 3y ago
  not AI /= human
  - coding123 3y ago
    /= != !=
    - vore 3y ago
      What is the purpose of this comment?
      - Forbo 3y ago
        Demonstrating that people don't know how to use "≠".
  - i_have_an_idea 3y ago
    AI /= LLM
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    What did the translation, a dog?
    - idonotknowwhy 3y ago
      Google translate or other non-Ai software
      - pclmulqdq 3y ago
giraffe_lady 3y ago
Lots of things could have happened we're talking about this specific thing that did though.
ilyt 3y ago
Well, if you picked cheapest bidder that copy-pasted it into google translate, maybe. Actual translator doing a job would look at the context and probably figure out that something's not right, but AI have no such double takes, if it for example because of learning material it will link euphemism to actual meaning of the word

Notice that GP said "machine translation", not "AI". Let's think of it instead as a "nonlinear high-dimensional sequence translation model trained on some large and unknown corpus". Does that make it less problematic?

mcguire 3y ago
How is that not AI?
- HeWhoLurksLate 3y ago
  because it isn't smart?
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    Stupidity and ignorance aren’t enough to excuse liability.
- kibibu 3y ago
  Statistical machine translation is one of those areas that was considered AI until it worked, then it just became tech. See also: speech recognition, grammar checking, OCR, theorem proving
- nerdponx 3y ago
  That was kind of my point. I don't think we should be quick to distinguish between "AI" and other algorithms/techniques, because what makes something "AI" is more a matter of opinion and perspective than anything else.
  - rat9988 3y ago
    Then you just missed that non-AI means human depending on context.
    - nerdponx 3y ago
      I don't believe that this could have easily happened with human translation except as an instance of deliberate malice or improbably enormous ineptitude, so I assigned a very low prior probability to that interpretation.
giraffe_lady 3y ago
No? Why would it?

elil17 3y ago

If a human translator translated "Praise god" as "Palestinian terrorists are fighting for their freedom" I'm pretty sure they'd be fired immediately. In contrast, Instagram is not going to be taking down their machine translation tool.

permo-w 3y ago
not AI /= human
- coding123 3y ago
  /= != !=
  - vore 3y ago
    What is the purpose of this comment?
    - Forbo 3y ago
      Demonstrating that people don't know how to use "≠".
- i_have_an_idea 3y ago
  AI /= LLM
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  What did the translation, a dog?
  - idonotknowwhy 3y ago
    Google translate or other non-Ai software
    - pclmulqdq 3y ago

giraffe_lady 3y ago

Lots of things could have happened we're talking about this specific thing that did though.

ilyt 3y ago

Well, if you picked cheapest bidder that copy-pasted it into google translate, maybe. Actual translator doing a job would look at the context and probably figure out that something's not right, but AI have no such double takes, if it for example because of learning material it will link euphemism to actual meaning of the word