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This is the sort of thing that could cause people to lose friends or jobs. This is exactly the sort of thing we should be worried about with AI. I feel like mac
by elil17 3y ago
This is the sort of thing that could cause people to lose friends or jobs. This is exactly the sort of thing we should be worried about with AI. I feel like machine translations like those on Instagram should come with a disclaimer (in bold, not fine print!).
- permo-w 3y agothis could easily have happened with non-AI translations
- nerdponx 3y agoNotice that GP said "machine translation", not "AI". Let's think of it instead as a "nonlinear high-dimensional sequence translation model trained on some large and unknown corpus". Does that make it less problematic?
- mcguire 3y agoHow is that not AI?
- HeWhoLurksLate 3y agobecause it isn't smart?
- bobthepanda 3y agoStupidity and ignorance aren’t enough to excuse liability.
- kibibu 3y agoStatistical machine translation is one of those areas that was considered AI until it worked, then it just became tech. See also: speech recognition, grammar checking, OCR, theorem proving
- nerdponx 3y agoThat was kind of my point. I don't think we should be quick to distinguish between "AI" and other algorithms/techniques, because what makes something "AI" is more a matter of opinion and perspective than anything else.
- rat9988 3y agoThen you just missed that non-AI means human depending on context.
- nerdponx 3y agoI don't believe that this could have easily happened with human translation except as an instance of deliberate malice or improbably enormous ineptitude, so I assigned a very low prior probability to that interpretation.
- giraffe_lady 3y agoNo? Why would it?
- elil17 3y agoIf a human translator translated "Praise god" as "Palestinian terrorists are fighting for their freedom" I'm pretty sure they'd be fired immediately. In contrast, Instagram is not going to be taking down their machine translation tool.
- permo-w 3y agonot AI /= human
- coding123 3y ago/= != !=
- i_have_an_idea 3y agoAI /= LLM
- mcpackieh 3y agoWhat did the translation, a dog?
- idonotknowwhy 3y agoGoogle translate or other non-Ai software
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- giraffe_lady 3y agoLots of things could have happened we're talking about this specific thing that did though.
- ilyt 3y agoWell, if you picked cheapest bidder that copy-pasted it into google translate, maybe. Actual translator doing a job would look at the context and probably figure out that something's not right, but AI have no such double takes, if it for example because of learning material it will link euphemism to actual meaning of the word
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- f233f2 3y agoAre we really at the point where we need a disclaimer saying "automatic translations may not be accurate"?
- delaaxe 3y agowhen it isn't clear that the translation has been done automatically, then yes
- paxys 3y agoHeck most times it isn't even obvious that you are looking at a translation rather than the original text. Plenty of times I'll visit a website and find the text a bit weird, then realize it's because Chrome has automatically translated it to English from some other language.
- elil17 3y agoI think the average person doesn't understand at all what level of accuracy they can expect from AI tools. That is why you have professors relying on ChatGPT to tell them if a student cheated using ChatGPT. HN readers already know not to trust it of course.
- f233f2 3y agoI agree that the average person doesn't generally know how technology works. I think the solution is not to limit the use of technology but to restrict the exposure of the average person to technology until they can prove that they know how it works (some sort of internet license, if you will)
- pjerem 3y agotbf, with AI, even technologists doesn’t generally know how it works.
- TrapLord_Rhodo 3y ago
- alistairSH 3y agoIs there any indication this was a machine/AI translation and not a human?
- oij331 3y agoMaybe this sort of thing will make us less pearl clutch-y and gate-keepy over arbitrary syntax and focus more on people's real needs. Despite the amount of people claiming lack of belief in deities rocketing up the last couple decades, prior experiences get wedged in our memory, alter our DNA. The elders belief in hallucination, nonsense semantics are alive and well in the form of conviction in American Civic Life as we've been experiencing it the last 2-3 decades. Look at Doctorow bleat that life is no longer like the 2000s for him. Trump and the Reaganite cabal as they generationally churn out freaking out. Reciting correct association of meaning to context is the exact kind of police state 1984 was talking to. Here we have social media via screens to remind us every day how the words must fit together.
- wutwutwat 3y ago> This is the sort of thing that could cause people to lose friends or jobs While true I think the larger issue is this is the sort of thing that can get people murdered (the people mislabeled as terrorists)
- botverse 3y ago> This is the sort of thing that could cause people to lose friends or jobs. Not if in the receiving end there is a Palestinian, unfortunately people are not made equal Edit: I misunderstood that the person potentially loosing their job is the one that made the mistake.