Upvoted, good comment. IDK if I view them as "threats to the world order"; they are both thriving as a result of international trade, so it's not like they are

Upvoted, good comment. IDK if I view them as "threats to the world order"; they are both thriving as a result of international trade, so it's not like they are going to dismantle the system, right? If others with more knowledge want to chime in that'd be great, I'm no expert. > Furthermore, both nationalisms seem to be turned inward, rather than outward. Despite media narrative, neither China nor India are particularly expansionist, the populism that is there looks like an attempt to ward off the future threat of fragmentation rather than acquiring new territory Speaking at least of China, this seems to be plainly untrue, though, right? a) It seems to have taken over formerly independent Hong Kong; b) has designs on Taiwan; c) the Belt and Road initiative is clearly about it wielding international power.