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> The problem is, in 2020, employees took these remote-work policy changes as an "implied" promise. And that's where employees 'dun goofed. Unless they got per

> The problem is, in 2020, employees took these remote-work policy changes as an "implied" promise. And that's where employees 'dun goofed. Unless they got permanent remote work in a written contract, this was all a temporary measure until the pandemic was over.

Kon-Peki 3y ago
I agree. We were supposed to go back after 1 month, then 3 months, than 1 year, than 18 months, and then it was "we give up, work wherever you want - but for taxes and insurance purposes you MUST stay inside the state". And now our office lease is up; CEO recently announced where the new office will be. It will be extremely close to his new house and will have desks for even more people than we have now. You'd have to be delusional to think that RTO isn't coming next year after the move is finished. I moved to a new house during the pandemic and am now feeling very vindicated knowing that I focused my search on an area that assumed we'd go back to the office and that the office would eventually move closer to the CEO's house (there is published research about this). It's going to end up saving me about 45 minutes of commuting per day!
- taylodl 3y ago
  Nobody likes an ass-kisser. That's the best career advice I can give you.
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
    In my experience, ass-kissing leads to better career outcomes than the opposite. Not many people like being challenged. Life lessons from a too-blunt guy who just wants to work without the politics.
    - taylodl 3y ago
      In my 40 year work experience, ass-kissing is good for the short-term, it fails for the long-term. Ever hear of the Peter Principle? That's what happens to ass-kissers. They're not liked and as such can't lead. Because they can't lead they will get promoted beyond their capability. I've seen this happen so many times over the course of my career I've lost count. The people who tell people what they need to hear? They may not do as well in the short-term, in fact they often don't, but over the long haul they have the most success and make the best leaders. Of course these are just overall trends, there are always exceptions.
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    This is the opposite of my experience. Or at least, bosses love ass-kissers; other employees not so much.
  - Kon-Peki 3y ago
    The best career advice I can give anyone is to know what's going to happen before the boss does. It has gotten a lot easier in the last decade or so since most managers think that Agile means "don't have to do any planning" To paraphrase Wayne Gretzky a bit: "An ass-kisser plays where the manager is now; a great employee plays where the manager is going to be."
  - kcplate 3y ago
    Except the person who is getting their ass kissed…
taylodl 3y ago
Legally, there was no "implied" promise as the company has to register in the state in which you're working in order to handle local taxes. That's not an implication. Also, many employees have been hired in the 3.5 years everybody was sent home and were hired as remote employees. Again, no implication. My personal anecdote, I've been identified as a full-remote employee with the appropriate updates to my employment status. Once again, that's not an implication. Frankly, in many cases, these companies are in breech of contract. In some states that contract isn't worth the paper it's written on and in others, it does. Here's the thing - it's the state where the employee actually works who determines the enforcement of the contract. States benefiting from WFH are going to be more inclined to enforce those contracts.

Kon-Peki 3y ago

I agree. We were supposed to go back after 1 month, then 3 months, than 1 year, than 18 months, and then it was "we give up, work wherever you want - but for taxes and insurance purposes you MUST stay inside the state". And now our office lease is up; CEO recently announced where the new office will be. It will be extremely close to his new house and will have desks for even more people than we have now. You'd have to be delusional to think that RTO isn't coming next year after the move is finished. I moved to a new house during the pandemic and am now feeling very vindicated knowing that I focused my search on an area that assumed we'd go back to the office and that the office would eventually move closer to the CEO's house (there is published research about this). It's going to end up saving me about 45 minutes of commuting per day!

taylodl 3y ago
Nobody likes an ass-kisser. That's the best career advice I can give you.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
  In my experience, ass-kissing leads to better career outcomes than the opposite. Not many people like being challenged. Life lessons from a too-blunt guy who just wants to work without the politics.
  - taylodl 3y ago
    In my 40 year work experience, ass-kissing is good for the short-term, it fails for the long-term. Ever hear of the Peter Principle? That's what happens to ass-kissers. They're not liked and as such can't lead. Because they can't lead they will get promoted beyond their capability. I've seen this happen so many times over the course of my career I've lost count. The people who tell people what they need to hear? They may not do as well in the short-term, in fact they often don't, but over the long haul they have the most success and make the best leaders. Of course these are just overall trends, there are always exceptions.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  This is the opposite of my experience. Or at least, bosses love ass-kissers; other employees not so much.
- Kon-Peki 3y ago
  The best career advice I can give anyone is to know what's going to happen before the boss does. It has gotten a lot easier in the last decade or so since most managers think that Agile means "don't have to do any planning" To paraphrase Wayne Gretzky a bit: "An ass-kisser plays where the manager is now; a great employee plays where the manager is going to be."
- kcplate 3y ago
  Except the person who is getting their ass kissed…

taylodl 3y ago

Legally, there was no "implied" promise as the company has to register in the state in which you're working in order to handle local taxes. That's not an implication. Also, many employees have been hired in the 3.5 years everybody was sent home and were hired as remote employees. Again, no implication. My personal anecdote, I've been identified as a full-remote employee with the appropriate updates to my employment status. Once again, that's not an implication. Frankly, in many cases, these companies are in breech of contract. In some states that contract isn't worth the paper it's written on and in others, it does. Here's the thing - it's the state where the employee actually works who determines the enforcement of the contract. States benefiting from WFH are going to be more inclined to enforce those contracts.