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You are definitely gonna mess typing this up. A few dots replaced with commas, the colon replaced with semicolon. And remember, most people don't have enough pa

You are definitely gonna mess typing this up. A few dots replaced with commas, the colon replaced with semicolon. And remember, most people don't have enough patience to retype the address once it didn't work. As for the credit/debit card number, it isn't comparable as it is widely used and understood. And yes, QR code is a far better solution, and it is employed by most apps.

arghwhat 3y ago
Your argument makes no sense: for a normal person, a credit card number is 16 random digits (in some places more) + 3 random digits (the validation code) + a date + a name - a vast amount of data incomprehensible to the average user that must be copied flawlessly. Compare that to an IP and port which is on average just 8 digits + 5 digits. Heck, the number is even organized similar: the CC is 4 groups of 8 + a group of 3 (ignoring date and name), the IP and port is 4 groups of average 2 digits + a group of 5. And unlike the CC info, every IP a non-techie ever deals with - and they have most certainly seen and typed one at least few times at this point, such as when they got internet service - starts with the same 6 digits. Not to mention electronic bills and bank accounts/SWIFT/IBAN being even longer and copied without fail. > And remember, most people don't have enough patience to retype the address once it didn't work. What? If people have the patience to retype CC info when wrong, they have the patience to try typing an IP again. Heck, the only use for this feature at all is if you're two people where one has the app and the other does not, so it's two people that need to collectively fail and give up! You can say that it's annoying to copy an IP, but the task is objectively simpler and less time consuming than other regular day-to-day activities a smartphone owner would go through. The suggestion that two people should collectively fail the task is, quite frankly, ridiculous. > A QR code is a far better solution Then just use that instead of ranting about how IPs are unacceptable. The button for the QR code is right beside the address in the app. Or if that's too difficult, install the app on both devices so it's automatic.
- psnehanshu 3y ago
  You maybe coming from a place with high computer literacy, but what I have expressed is what I see in my surroundings. You mentioned electronic bills (idk what that is), bank account/SWIFT/IBAN. You maybe suprised, but these people don't type these numbers at all. They don't ever need to. The most they can type is a phone number. People have more patience to type CC number because it's more important to them than receiving a file, which can be easily shared through WhatsApp etc. For larger files, they will just copy using a data cable, or pendrive. > And unlike the CC info, every IP a non-techie ever deals with - and they have most certainly seen and typed one at least few times at this point, such as when they got internet service - starts with the same 6 digits. Yeah, keep living in your bubble. One rarely needs to type an IP address to use a modern fiber optics internet connection. It's generally pre-cofigured. > A QR code is a far better solution > Then just use that instead of ranting about how IPs are unacceptable. Yes, and I am always going to choose the QR code over typing IP address manually any time of the day.
  - arghwhat 3y ago
    The point is that computer literacy is entirely irrelevant as it is safe to assume that the average smartphone-owning person is entirely capable of copying text and numbers without meaning to them much longer and more arduous than what is demanded for a local IP. > You mentioned electronic bills (idk what that is), bank account/SWIFT/IBAN. You maybe suprised, but these people don't type these numbers at all. The average individual must pay bills, and that involves copying payment details. Here, that means copying numeric payment details - either a special bill number or bank details. Likewise if you work in an office you may be confronted with invoices paid by bank transfer. There can be local variations in means of payment of course, but unless you live in a cash-only world it would not be avoidable. > People have more patience to type CC number because it's more important to them than receiving a file There is nothing that would support this claim. It is quite conceivable that a file would be important to someone but a random online purchase not. > Yeah, keep living in your bubble. One rarely needs to type an IP address to use a modern fiber optics internet connection. It's generally pre-cofigured. Sure as hell never was for me across 2 countries and 4 providers. Always required activation, and ISP instructions often had you go to the router portal. Granted I didn't use their router after activation, but 192.168.1.1 (or 0.1) is something users are guided to. I cannot claim that every ISP will require this, but in my experience it is "many", which in turn exposes at least one individual in a household. > Yes, and I am always going to choose the QR code Go ahead - no need to go on a pointless vendetta when your preferred option is right there.

arghwhat 3y ago

Your argument makes no sense: for a normal person, a credit card number is 16 random digits (in some places more) + 3 random digits (the validation code) + a date + a name - a vast amount of data incomprehensible to the average user that must be copied flawlessly. Compare that to an IP and port which is on average just 8 digits + 5 digits. Heck, the number is even organized similar: the CC is 4 groups of 8 + a group of 3 (ignoring date and name), the IP and port is 4 groups of average 2 digits + a group of 5. And unlike the CC info, every IP a non-techie ever deals with - and they have most certainly seen and typed one at least few times at this point, such as when they got internet service - starts with the same 6 digits. Not to mention electronic bills and bank accounts/SWIFT/IBAN being even longer and copied without fail. > And remember, most people don't have enough patience to retype the address once it didn't work. What? If people have the patience to retype CC info when wrong, they have the patience to try typing an IP again. Heck, the only use for this feature at all is if you're two people where one has the app and the other does not, so it's two people that need to collectively fail and give up! You can say that it's annoying to copy an IP, but the task is objectively simpler and less time consuming than other regular day-to-day activities a smartphone owner would go through. The suggestion that two people should collectively fail the task is, quite frankly, ridiculous. > A QR code is a far better solution Then just use that instead of ranting about how IPs are unacceptable. The button for the QR code is right beside the address in the app. Or if that's too difficult, install the app on both devices so it's automatic.

psnehanshu 3y ago
You maybe coming from a place with high computer literacy, but what I have expressed is what I see in my surroundings. You mentioned electronic bills (idk what that is), bank account/SWIFT/IBAN. You maybe suprised, but these people don't type these numbers at all. They don't ever need to. The most they can type is a phone number. People have more patience to type CC number because it's more important to them than receiving a file, which can be easily shared through WhatsApp etc. For larger files, they will just copy using a data cable, or pendrive. > And unlike the CC info, every IP a non-techie ever deals with - and they have most certainly seen and typed one at least few times at this point, such as when they got internet service - starts with the same 6 digits. Yeah, keep living in your bubble. One rarely needs to type an IP address to use a modern fiber optics internet connection. It's generally pre-cofigured. > A QR code is a far better solution > Then just use that instead of ranting about how IPs are unacceptable. Yes, and I am always going to choose the QR code over typing IP address manually any time of the day.
- arghwhat 3y ago
  The point is that computer literacy is entirely irrelevant as it is safe to assume that the average smartphone-owning person is entirely capable of copying text and numbers without meaning to them much longer and more arduous than what is demanded for a local IP. > You mentioned electronic bills (idk what that is), bank account/SWIFT/IBAN. You maybe suprised, but these people don't type these numbers at all. The average individual must pay bills, and that involves copying payment details. Here, that means copying numeric payment details - either a special bill number or bank details. Likewise if you work in an office you may be confronted with invoices paid by bank transfer. There can be local variations in means of payment of course, but unless you live in a cash-only world it would not be avoidable. > People have more patience to type CC number because it's more important to them than receiving a file There is nothing that would support this claim. It is quite conceivable that a file would be important to someone but a random online purchase not. > Yeah, keep living in your bubble. One rarely needs to type an IP address to use a modern fiber optics internet connection. It's generally pre-cofigured. Sure as hell never was for me across 2 countries and 4 providers. Always required activation, and ISP instructions often had you go to the router portal. Granted I didn't use their router after activation, but 192.168.1.1 (or 0.1) is something users are guided to. I cannot claim that every ISP will require this, but in my experience it is "many", which in turn exposes at least one individual in a household. > Yes, and I am always going to choose the QR code Go ahead - no need to go on a pointless vendetta when your preferred option is right there.