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Libertarians are always guilty of such "ironies", some would even call them hypocrisies. It's almost like the veneer of well reasoned ideology is a front just w

Libertarians are always guilty of such "ironies", some would even call them hypocrisies. It's almost like the veneer of well reasoned ideology is a front just wanting more power.

gonzo41 3y ago
I don't know why you're being down voted. This is spot on.
- doggerel 3y ago
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- derbOac 3y ago
  I think the issue is stereotyping. Replace "libertarian" with "republican" or "democrat" and reconsider the statement.
- coderaptor 3y ago
  It’s called painting with too wide a brush. A lot of us are simply interested in promoting and continuing to evolve and understand that well-reasoned ideology. We feel its application can improve the human condition.
- goodpoint 3y ago
  HN is a discussion board connected to a venture capital platform and it attracts lot of libertarians and they don't like to be called out. The term "libertarian" changed a lot over time, from socialist libertarianism to far-right libertarianism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_libertarian_thinkers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_libertarian_thinke... Here we are talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism and check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Analysis_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Analysis_an...
- brvsft 3y ago
  If it is being downvoted, it's at least partly because it's an unrealistic standard that is about as serious as the take that "socialists" shouldn't be allowed to use smartphones or other products of "capitalism."
- nvm0n2 3y ago
  It's being downvoted because there is no inconsistency between publicly stated beliefs and actions. Look into it more closely.
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solarman5000 3y ago
You must be new to politics... There are bad apples in every party, the actions of one individual do not represent the whole party
- denton-scratch 3y ago
  > the actions of one individual do not represent the whole party The "bad apples" phrase is often (usually?) misused. The whole saying is: "One bad apple spoils the barrel". In general, it refers to corruption, and especially bent coppers. Here in the UK, we recently had the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police saying that the rash of rapists in the Met is just "a few bad apples". It's not just a question of taint; if you leave the "bad apples" in there, you'll end up with no good apples at all.
wsc981 3y ago
Hypocrisy can be found in many groups. For example I've seen many leftists that claim to be pro-immigration, protest against asylum centra opening in their wealthy neighbourhoods. Or people that claim to be worried about climate change travel the world and protest against wind turbines near their neighbourhoods. Hypocrisy is not limited to certain groups, pretty much all people are hypocritical at times.
- gavinhoward 3y ago
  Not disagreeing with you. But you have reminded me to do a self-assessment, find all of the hypocrisy I can, and correct it.
- scott_w 3y ago
  Is that protesting immigration processing or immigration detention centres? I can see why a pro-immigration person can be against what looks like a prison going up in a leafy suburb. They may change their mind if what’s going up is simply a document processing centre that people visit when they need to.
  - snovv_crash 3y ago
    You are cherry picking the one (weaker) example by badly interpreting it and trying to extend that to the others. All groups have hypocrisy where people push for others to aim for lofty goals, but fight tooth and nail to not have their local community pay the costs. Left, right, authoritarians, anarchists, etc.
    - scott_w 3y ago
      I didn't provide the example.
jimmydoe 3y ago
Libertarian has been a loaded term, and what you are referring to is probably right-libertarianism which is the dorminant form in the US. Most folks already know that, but I just want to point it out since I personally identify as left libertarian.
o_1 3y ago
Whom it attracts doesn't define it. I think we could all postulate some interesting personalities for some other ideologies.

Libertarians are always guilty of such "ironies", some would even call them hypocrisies. It's almost like the veneer of well reasoned ideology is a front just wanting more power.

gonzo41 3y ago

I don't know why you're being down voted. This is spot on.

doggerel 3y ago
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derbOac 3y ago
I think the issue is stereotyping. Replace "libertarian" with "republican" or "democrat" and reconsider the statement.
coderaptor 3y ago
It’s called painting with too wide a brush. A lot of us are simply interested in promoting and continuing to evolve and understand that well-reasoned ideology. We feel its application can improve the human condition.
goodpoint 3y ago
HN is a discussion board connected to a venture capital platform and it attracts lot of libertarians and they don't like to be called out. The term "libertarian" changed a lot over time, from socialist libertarianism to far-right libertarianism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_libertarian_thinkers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_libertarian_thinke... Here we are talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism and check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Analysis_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Analysis_an...
brvsft 3y ago
If it is being downvoted, it's at least partly because it's an unrealistic standard that is about as serious as the take that "socialists" shouldn't be allowed to use smartphones or other products of "capitalism."
nvm0n2 3y ago
It's being downvoted because there is no inconsistency between publicly stated beliefs and actions. Look into it more closely.
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solarman5000 3y ago

You must be new to politics... There are bad apples in every party, the actions of one individual do not represent the whole party

denton-scratch 3y ago
> the actions of one individual do not represent the whole party The "bad apples" phrase is often (usually?) misused. The whole saying is: "One bad apple spoils the barrel". In general, it refers to corruption, and especially bent coppers. Here in the UK, we recently had the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police saying that the rash of rapists in the Met is just "a few bad apples". It's not just a question of taint; if you leave the "bad apples" in there, you'll end up with no good apples at all.

wsc981 3y ago

Hypocrisy can be found in many groups. For example I've seen many leftists that claim to be pro-immigration, protest against asylum centra opening in their wealthy neighbourhoods. Or people that claim to be worried about climate change travel the world and protest against wind turbines near their neighbourhoods. Hypocrisy is not limited to certain groups, pretty much all people are hypocritical at times.

gavinhoward 3y ago
Not disagreeing with you. But you have reminded me to do a self-assessment, find all of the hypocrisy I can, and correct it.
scott_w 3y ago
Is that protesting immigration processing or immigration detention centres? I can see why a pro-immigration person can be against what looks like a prison going up in a leafy suburb. They may change their mind if what’s going up is simply a document processing centre that people visit when they need to.
- snovv_crash 3y ago
  You are cherry picking the one (weaker) example by badly interpreting it and trying to extend that to the others. All groups have hypocrisy where people push for others to aim for lofty goals, but fight tooth and nail to not have their local community pay the costs. Left, right, authoritarians, anarchists, etc.
  - scott_w 3y ago
    I didn't provide the example.

jimmydoe 3y ago

Libertarian has been a loaded term, and what you are referring to is probably right-libertarianism which is the dorminant form in the US. Most folks already know that, but I just want to point it out since I personally identify as left libertarian.

o_1 3y ago

Whom it attracts doesn't define it. I think we could all postulate some interesting personalities for some other ideologies.