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> Mind you - the gov already has copies of ALL the forms. They just want you to f it up. Not completely accurate - you’re required to pay tax on side jobs unde

> Mind you - the gov already has copies of ALL the forms. They just want you to f it up. Not completely accurate - you’re required to pay tax on side jobs under $600 for instance, but neither you nor the IRS get a 1099 tax form for it. Reporting it is on the honor system. Cash tips are supposed to be taxed but rely on self reporting since the IRS has no idea who handed you money, etc. There are also many deductions and credits that the IRS does not know about unless you self report and claim them.

flandish 3y ago
Deductions and credits: I posit, they could know based on how interlinked everything is. You have 3 kids registered in school? It’s in a db. Buy an EV? It’s in a db. But yeah- fair point. There are lots of “quiet” transactions for sure, but that’s likely no different in any other nation with better tax cycles.
- hiatus 3y ago
  > Buy an EV? It’s in a db I don't expect car purchases to be in a federal database (or the schools my children attend, for that matter).
  - aifooh7Keew6xoo 3y ago
    then you're gonna really hate to learn about vehicle registration
    - sokoloff 3y ago
      Vehicle registration is done by state agencies. I would not expect that all the data in 50 states' (plus additional territories') databases end up reflected into a federal database today.
      - flandish 3y ago
        Some of us pay state taxes too…
        sokoloff 3y ago
        Of course. The upthread comment about EVs was presumably in regards to the federal EV tax credit and how to handle the data flow needed to support it in an automated return generation process.
  - flandish 3y ago
    You don’t expect it, but it is. And all I am saying is that I’m not surprised it isn't already “part of the process.” Just because it’s not part of our filing process doesn’t mean the data and its relationships don’t exist. Heck, I’m the first to say 99% of this should not exist in the first place. (That means I think the nation state concept should not exist.. there should be none.) But be honest with yourself: you know society tacitly accepts interfaces between dbs for the corporate purpose of profit… (advertising, etc)
    - thfuran 3y ago
      Meaning what, just municipal governments, or are those bad too?

flandish 3y ago

Deductions and credits: I posit, they could know based on how interlinked everything is. You have 3 kids registered in school? It’s in a db. Buy an EV? It’s in a db. But yeah- fair point. There are lots of “quiet” transactions for sure, but that’s likely no different in any other nation with better tax cycles.

hiatus 3y ago
> Buy an EV? It’s in a db I don't expect car purchases to be in a federal database (or the schools my children attend, for that matter).
- aifooh7Keew6xoo 3y ago
  then you're gonna really hate to learn about vehicle registration
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    Vehicle registration is done by state agencies. I would not expect that all the data in 50 states' (plus additional territories') databases end up reflected into a federal database today.
    - flandish 3y ago
      Some of us pay state taxes too…
      - sokoloff 3y ago
        Of course. The upthread comment about EVs was presumably in regards to the federal EV tax credit and how to handle the data flow needed to support it in an automated return generation process.
- flandish 3y ago
  You don’t expect it, but it is. And all I am saying is that I’m not surprised it isn't already “part of the process.” Just because it’s not part of our filing process doesn’t mean the data and its relationships don’t exist. Heck, I’m the first to say 99% of this should not exist in the first place. (That means I think the nation state concept should not exist.. there should be none.) But be honest with yourself: you know society tacitly accepts interfaces between dbs for the corporate purpose of profit… (advertising, etc)
  - thfuran 3y ago
    Meaning what, just municipal governments, or are those bad too?