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Minecraft (and to some extent, eg Factorio) is still very dominantly a free for all game. Nothing can recreate the first ten or hundred hours of gameplay, when

Minecraft (and to some extent, eg Factorio) is still very dominantly a free for all game. Nothing can recreate the first ten or hundred hours of gameplay, when you still keep discovering small and big stuff like tridents, coral reefs, bastions, frogs, lush caves, yes you will eventually build a cured villager trading hall and a wither skeleton skull farm and use beacons as street lamps and shulker boxes for wall textures. But that's the point. If you want to build a 100x scale statue of a shulker from shulker boxes, it's entirely your call, and your call alone, and no, it's not an easy project not by any measure.

versteegen 3y ago
> Nothing can recreate the first ten or hundred hours of gameplay, when you still keep discovering small and big stuff ... Well, I played a lot of Minecraft back in the day, and I have never even heard of a single thing you just mentioned, which seems to disprove what you said there: In fact, as the devs keep adding stuff to the game, it can apparently stay fresh.
- rollcat 3y ago
  I don't think it disproves my point, I think it's the other side of the same coin. The game has so much breadth and depth that it doesn't matter in which direction you explore it; you will keep finding new ways to keep yourself amused, even without updates (some of the things I've named have been in the game for 5+ years).
- lostlogin 3y ago
  > devs keep adding stuff to the game I really wish they would add to the sea and sky. Big sea/air ships or similar. Swimming and flying creatures etc. The land is pretty stocked up now.
sgarland 3y ago
Factorio is perhaps the best tangible example of why infrastructure matters, is very hard to correctly plan, difficult to scale without shutting everything down, and yet seems deceptively easy.
- rollcat 3y ago
  And yet there are so many ways to enjoy it without minmaxing to X spm. Try e.g. to beat the game without using belts (hint: use train cars), surviving the longest in a cranked-up deathworld, beating a 9-tall ribbon world (rocket silo is 9x9), and that's before you even add any mods.
  - sgarland 3y ago
    Oh, for sure - I love the game. Haven’t had a lot of time to play it recently, but it’s delightful. Except for when you realize far too late that you made some critical mistake much earlier, and will now have to refactor en masse. That’s less fun. Easier with a swarm of bots, but still less fun.

versteegen 3y ago

> Nothing can recreate the first ten or hundred hours of gameplay, when you still keep discovering small and big stuff ... Well, I played a lot of Minecraft back in the day, and I have never even heard of a single thing you just mentioned, which seems to disprove what you said there: In fact, as the devs keep adding stuff to the game, it can apparently stay fresh.

rollcat 3y ago
I don't think it disproves my point, I think it's the other side of the same coin. The game has so much breadth and depth that it doesn't matter in which direction you explore it; you will keep finding new ways to keep yourself amused, even without updates (some of the things I've named have been in the game for 5+ years).
lostlogin 3y ago
> devs keep adding stuff to the game I really wish they would add to the sea and sky. Big sea/air ships or similar. Swimming and flying creatures etc. The land is pretty stocked up now.

sgarland 3y ago

Factorio is perhaps the best tangible example of why infrastructure matters, is very hard to correctly plan, difficult to scale without shutting everything down, and yet seems deceptively easy.

rollcat 3y ago
And yet there are so many ways to enjoy it without minmaxing to X spm. Try e.g. to beat the game without using belts (hint: use train cars), surviving the longest in a cranked-up deathworld, beating a 9-tall ribbon world (rocket silo is 9x9), and that's before you even add any mods.
- sgarland 3y ago
  Oh, for sure - I love the game. Haven’t had a lot of time to play it recently, but it’s delightful. Except for when you realize far too late that you made some critical mistake much earlier, and will now have to refactor en masse. That’s less fun. Easier with a swarm of bots, but still less fun.