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If you're technical this stuff is super easy to get around if you care enough. Realistically this will only be enforceable if the application has enough users a

by kypro 3y ago

If you're technical this stuff is super easy to get around if you care enough. Realistically this will only be enforceable if the application has enough users and there's a company that owns the application which can be sued. The answer is largely going to be to just use open source software which doesn't have CSS and continues to implement E2E. For work I don't care because it's not my privacy to protect so I'll probably just continue using whatever – Mac, Slack, etc. For most personal stuff I use Linux anyway so I don't really care. Something I will warn people of in advance is that if you're in the EU/UK people have been arrested for terrorism simply for their book and memorabilia collections. If you're suspected of terrorism (at least in the UK) you do not have a right to silence and this extends to being legally required to hand over passwords/keys for your devices. Once CSS is in place if you have any edgy Alex Jones memes on your phone / computer or a digital copy of something like the anarchistic cookbook don't be surprised if the government suspects you of being a terrorist or if you get put you on a list. CSS and breaking E2E gives governments everything they need to find out who all the wrong thinkers are in society so they can protect us. It would be irresponsible of them to pass up that opportunity. Keep your opinions to yourself, and ensure all jokes and memes viewed or stored on your device are safely within the Overton window.

rdm_blackhole 3y ago
> Realistically this will only be enforceable if the application has enough users and there's a company that owns the application which can be sued. In terms of the Chat Control this would be mandatory for all messaging apps. There is no exclusion in the law regarding the number of users. > Something I will warn people of in advance is that if you're in the EU/UK people have been arrested for terrorism simply for their book and memorabilia collections. If you're suspected of terrorism (at least in the UK) you do not have a right to silence and this extends to being legally required to hand over passwords/keys for your devices. IF CSS is in place, I don't think the US will sit idle on this, they will want the same capabilities so this issue with the content will be relevant whether you live in the UE/UK/US or Australia.
- Try1275 3y ago
  First they want access to the EU citizen's data.
  - rdm_blackhole 3y ago
    Its the first step but they won't stop there IMHO.
- kypro 3y ago
  > In terms of the Chat Control this would be mandatory for all messaging apps. GDPR is mandatory too, but realistically it's only something that the largest companies need to worry about. If some small news site doesn't implement a cookie banner correctly they're not likely to be sued. My point is that there will always be alternatives that fly under the radar, or are merely open source projects for which there is no individual or organisation to mandate. > IF CSS is in place, I don't think the US will sit idle on this, they will want the same capabilities so this issue with the content will be relevant whether you live in the UE/UK/US or Australia. I suspect it would be different in the US because as far as I know it's not an offence to say and think the wrong things. In Germany it's literally a crime to be a Nazi and here in the UK you can be arrested for telling an offensive jokes. Just as an example of what I'm talking about here, my girlfriend is a historian and she studied WWII. When we first started dating I'd often send her silly Hitler memes to make her laugh. A lot of our old chat history has references to Hitler, Nazis and Hitler memes in them. She's also dragged me to a lot of Nazi sites over the years and we have thousands photos from those visits. I am in the process of deleting those messages and backing up our photos onto external drives at the moment because I don't want state questioning why we're so interested in the Nazis. I might know they were just memes and it may be true that we're are just genuinely interested in WWII and Nazi Germany, but I rather not have to prove that in court. If these on device content scanners are implemented and the government really wants to know who has an interest in the Nazi's it's quite possible we could be flagged as suspicious. But thankfully I don't hold offensive views so I never say offensive stuff in private. I don't need to worry about any explicitly racist things I might have said 2 years ago on WhatsApp. But a lot of people do say and believe things in private which could be consider hateful, and those people should take precautions if they don't want the government to know their views. As an example here, just a few weeks ago the private WhatsApps chats from a group of retired police officers were obtained by the media and because those retirees said some racist things about Meghan Markle they have now be charged with hate crimes. Lots of people will likely find themselves in the same boat going forward.

by kypro 3y ago

rdm_blackhole 3y ago

> Realistically this will only be enforceable if the application has enough users and there's a company that owns the application which can be sued. In terms of the Chat Control this would be mandatory for all messaging apps. There is no exclusion in the law regarding the number of users. > Something I will warn people of in advance is that if you're in the EU/UK people have been arrested for terrorism simply for their book and memorabilia collections. If you're suspected of terrorism (at least in the UK) you do not have a right to silence and this extends to being legally required to hand over passwords/keys for your devices. IF CSS is in place, I don't think the US will sit idle on this, they will want the same capabilities so this issue with the content will be relevant whether you live in the UE/UK/US or Australia.

Try1275 3y ago
First they want access to the EU citizen's data.
- rdm_blackhole 3y ago
  Its the first step but they won't stop there IMHO.
kypro 3y ago
> In terms of the Chat Control this would be mandatory for all messaging apps. GDPR is mandatory too, but realistically it's only something that the largest companies need to worry about. If some small news site doesn't implement a cookie banner correctly they're not likely to be sued. My point is that there will always be alternatives that fly under the radar, or are merely open source projects for which there is no individual or organisation to mandate. > IF CSS is in place, I don't think the US will sit idle on this, they will want the same capabilities so this issue with the content will be relevant whether you live in the UE/UK/US or Australia. I suspect it would be different in the US because as far as I know it's not an offence to say and think the wrong things. In Germany it's literally a crime to be a Nazi and here in the UK you can be arrested for telling an offensive jokes. Just as an example of what I'm talking about here, my girlfriend is a historian and she studied WWII. When we first started dating I'd often send her silly Hitler memes to make her laugh. A lot of our old chat history has references to Hitler, Nazis and Hitler memes in them. She's also dragged me to a lot of Nazi sites over the years and we have thousands photos from those visits. I am in the process of deleting those messages and backing up our photos onto external drives at the moment because I don't want state questioning why we're so interested in the Nazis. I might know they were just memes and it may be true that we're are just genuinely interested in WWII and Nazi Germany, but I rather not have to prove that in court. If these on device content scanners are implemented and the government really wants to know who has an interest in the Nazi's it's quite possible we could be flagged as suspicious. But thankfully I don't hold offensive views so I never say offensive stuff in private. I don't need to worry about any explicitly racist things I might have said 2 years ago on WhatsApp. But a lot of people do say and believe things in private which could be consider hateful, and those people should take precautions if they don't want the government to know their views. As an example here, just a few weeks ago the private WhatsApps chats from a group of retired police officers were obtained by the media and because those retirees said some racist things about Meghan Markle they have now be charged with hate crimes. Lots of people will likely find themselves in the same boat going forward.