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Probably means that folks in Finnish, German, and US offices are out, and in Romanian and Polish offices will receive no rises of their already meager salaries.

zerr 3y ago
Right. It doesn't make sense to lay off a dev in Romania, who's salary is less than a janitor's one in the US office.
- quickthrower2 3y ago
  Corollary: levels.fyi style dev salaries in the US make no sense
  - expertentipp 3y ago
    Asking in Europe anything higher than 60% of what levels.fyi claims for any publicly traded company guarantees not receiving an offer. Funny because our public services and healthcare are the same dysfunctional as in US, only in different ways.
    - sofixa 3y ago
      > Funny because our public services and healthcare are the same dysfunctional as in US, only in different ways. The same, or different? There's various levels of dysfunction depending on the country, but outcomes are better and there is zero risk of life crippling debt. Anyone not a multi-millionaire who could afford the best private care would take that deal any day of the week.
      - expertentipp 3y ago
        Waiting times in months in context of cancer, pregnancy, and other critical health issues. Distributing the public services through nepotist barter, even basic services like a stupid consultation. Doesn't matter if one dies with or without some debt on top of it.
        sofixa 3y ago
        Source? Waiting times in months for pregnancy makes little sense since: * many pregnancy related things have specific timelines that should be followed * pretty much all European countries have negative natural growth, meaning that there are fewer and fewer babies being born. It's highly unlikely related specialists are being overburdened.
        expertentipp 3y ago
        Ain't got no time for discussing the obvious. Low fertility rates are a result, not like anyone is doing anything reasonable to address it. Doctors? Why bother when they can charge EUR 2k for "birth experience" in private clinic. Politicians? At this stage they only care about the real estate they hoarded.
        sofixa 3y ago
        So no source, just vibes? Gotcha
        Ylpertnodi 3y ago
        Not in my Eu country. Where do you get your info and where specifically are you referring to? I can choose to wait for an appointment or i can pay. Waiting involves non-life changing issues so the wait is based on severity. My last referral was 'within 7 days', and i got seen (fairly serious). Either, someone got bumped or there's enough flex in the system to handle surprises. My last stay in hospital [oct of 21] my costs were about €40 - for 10 days, inclusive of everything.
      - HDThoreaun 3y ago
        > outcomes are better This tells us very little about healthcare quality because of differences in choices made by americans and europeans. Americans are much fatter and more reckless. Other than smoking Americans partake in life shortening activities more often.
tgaj 3y ago
I heard that there will be layoffs in Polish offices - but not extensive.
helsinkiandrew 3y ago
Only 450 in Finland apparently https://yle.fi/a/74-20055950 https://yle.fi/a/74-20055950

zerr 3y ago

Right. It doesn't make sense to lay off a dev in Romania, who's salary is less than a janitor's one in the US office.

quickthrower2 3y ago
Corollary: levels.fyi style dev salaries in the US make no sense
- expertentipp 3y ago
  Asking in Europe anything higher than 60% of what levels.fyi claims for any publicly traded company guarantees not receiving an offer. Funny because our public services and healthcare are the same dysfunctional as in US, only in different ways.
  - sofixa 3y ago
    > Funny because our public services and healthcare are the same dysfunctional as in US, only in different ways. The same, or different? There's various levels of dysfunction depending on the country, but outcomes are better and there is zero risk of life crippling debt. Anyone not a multi-millionaire who could afford the best private care would take that deal any day of the week.
    - expertentipp 3y ago
      Waiting times in months in context of cancer, pregnancy, and other critical health issues. Distributing the public services through nepotist barter, even basic services like a stupid consultation. Doesn't matter if one dies with or without some debt on top of it.
      - sofixa 3y ago
        Source? Waiting times in months for pregnancy makes little sense since: * many pregnancy related things have specific timelines that should be followed * pretty much all European countries have negative natural growth, meaning that there are fewer and fewer babies being born. It's highly unlikely related specialists are being overburdened.
        expertentipp 3y ago
        Ain't got no time for discussing the obvious. Low fertility rates are a result, not like anyone is doing anything reasonable to address it. Doctors? Why bother when they can charge EUR 2k for "birth experience" in private clinic. Politicians? At this stage they only care about the real estate they hoarded.
        sofixa 3y ago
        So no source, just vibes? Gotcha
      - Ylpertnodi 3y ago
        Not in my Eu country. Where do you get your info and where specifically are you referring to? I can choose to wait for an appointment or i can pay. Waiting involves non-life changing issues so the wait is based on severity. My last referral was 'within 7 days', and i got seen (fairly serious). Either, someone got bumped or there's enough flex in the system to handle surprises. My last stay in hospital [oct of 21] my costs were about €40 - for 10 days, inclusive of everything.
    - HDThoreaun 3y ago
      > outcomes are better This tells us very little about healthcare quality because of differences in choices made by americans and europeans. Americans are much fatter and more reckless. Other than smoking Americans partake in life shortening activities more often.

tgaj 3y ago

I heard that there will be layoffs in Polish offices - but not extensive.

helsinkiandrew 3y ago

Only 450 in Finland apparently https://yle.fi/a/74-20055950 https://yle.fi/a/74-20055950