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It's ridiculous to think people will find it easy type out URLs and that too IP addresses along with a port. It maybe fine for HNerds, but definitely not for ot

It's ridiculous to think people will find it easy type out URLs and that too IP addresses along with a port. It maybe fine for HNerds, but definitely not for others. Shows hows much people in this site live inside a bubble.

tjoff 3y ago
QR code.
- psnehanshu 3y ago
  Yes, QR codes, and that's what most apps do.
  - arghwhat 3y ago
    ... including this one.
    - psnehanshu 3y ago
      Sorry?
      - arghwhat 3y ago
        This app also uses a QR code when you want to send files to someone without the app. The IP and port is just also shown, which is very useful when the target device doesn't have an easy QR code scanner - say, a desktop.
arghwhat 3y ago
It's absolutely fine for a normal person that an advanced feature requires you to type 4 numbers that are on average 2 digits long, followed by a 4-5 digit number. You do not need to understand what it is, and you do not need to memorize it. People are used to typing in their much longer credit card details flawlessly, so there really is zero argument here. Not that it matters at all. As others have said, the app will gladly show you a QR code for it, which regular smartphone users are trained to use.
- psnehanshu 3y ago
  You are definitely gonna mess typing this up. A few dots replaced with commas, the colon replaced with semicolon. And remember, most people don't have enough patience to retype the address once it didn't work. As for the credit/debit card number, it isn't comparable as it is widely used and understood. And yes, QR code is a far better solution, and it is employed by most apps.
  - arghwhat 3y ago
    Your argument makes no sense: for a normal person, a credit card number is 16 random digits (in some places more) + 3 random digits (the validation code) + a date + a name - a vast amount of data incomprehensible to the average user that must be copied flawlessly. Compare that to an IP and port which is on average just 8 digits + 5 digits. Heck, the number is even organized similar: the CC is 4 groups of 8 + a group of 3 (ignoring date and name), the IP and port is 4 groups of average 2 digits + a group of 5. And unlike the CC info, every IP a non-techie ever deals with - and they have most certainly seen and typed one at least few times at this point, such as when they got internet service - starts with the same 6 digits. Not to mention electronic bills and bank accounts/SWIFT/IBAN being even longer and copied without fail. > And remember, most people don't have enough patience to retype the address once it didn't work. What? If people have the patience to retype CC info when wrong, they have the patience to try typing an IP again. Heck, the only use for this feature at all is if you're two people where one has the app and the other does not, so it's two people that need to collectively fail and give up! You can say that it's annoying to copy an IP, but the task is objectively simpler and less time consuming than other regular day-to-day activities a smartphone owner would go through. The suggestion that two people should collectively fail the task is, quite frankly, ridiculous. > A QR code is a far better solution Then just use that instead of ranting about how IPs are unacceptable. The button for the QR code is right beside the address in the app. Or if that's too difficult, install the app on both devices so it's automatic.
    - psnehanshu 3y ago
      You maybe coming from a place with high computer literacy, but what I have expressed is what I see in my surroundings. You mentioned electronic bills (idk what that is), bank account/SWIFT/IBAN. You maybe suprised, but these people don't type these numbers at all. They don't ever need to. The most they can type is a phone number. People have more patience to type CC number because it's more important to them than receiving a file, which can be easily shared through WhatsApp etc. For larger files, they will just copy using a data cable, or pendrive. > And unlike the CC info, every IP a non-techie ever deals with - and they have most certainly seen and typed one at least few times at this point, such as when they got internet service - starts with the same 6 digits. Yeah, keep living in your bubble. One rarely needs to type an IP address to use a modern fiber optics internet connection. It's generally pre-cofigured. > A QR code is a far better solution > Then just use that instead of ranting about how IPs are unacceptable. Yes, and I am always going to choose the QR code over typing IP address manually any time of the day.

tjoff 3y ago

QR code.

psnehanshu 3y ago
Yes, QR codes, and that's what most apps do.
- arghwhat 3y ago
  ... including this one.
  - psnehanshu 3y ago
    Sorry?
    - arghwhat 3y ago
      This app also uses a QR code when you want to send files to someone without the app. The IP and port is just also shown, which is very useful when the target device doesn't have an easy QR code scanner - say, a desktop.

arghwhat 3y ago

It's absolutely fine for a normal person that an advanced feature requires you to type 4 numbers that are on average 2 digits long, followed by a 4-5 digit number. You do not need to understand what it is, and you do not need to memorize it. People are used to typing in their much longer credit card details flawlessly, so there really is zero argument here. Not that it matters at all. As others have said, the app will gladly show you a QR code for it, which regular smartphone users are trained to use.

psnehanshu 3y ago
You are definitely gonna mess typing this up. A few dots replaced with commas, the colon replaced with semicolon. And remember, most people don't have enough patience to retype the address once it didn't work. As for the credit/debit card number, it isn't comparable as it is widely used and understood. And yes, QR code is a far better solution, and it is employed by most apps.
- arghwhat 3y ago
  Your argument makes no sense: for a normal person, a credit card number is 16 random digits (in some places more) + 3 random digits (the validation code) + a date + a name - a vast amount of data incomprehensible to the average user that must be copied flawlessly. Compare that to an IP and port which is on average just 8 digits + 5 digits. Heck, the number is even organized similar: the CC is 4 groups of 8 + a group of 3 (ignoring date and name), the IP and port is 4 groups of average 2 digits + a group of 5. And unlike the CC info, every IP a non-techie ever deals with - and they have most certainly seen and typed one at least few times at this point, such as when they got internet service - starts with the same 6 digits. Not to mention electronic bills and bank accounts/SWIFT/IBAN being even longer and copied without fail. > And remember, most people don't have enough patience to retype the address once it didn't work. What? If people have the patience to retype CC info when wrong, they have the patience to try typing an IP again. Heck, the only use for this feature at all is if you're two people where one has the app and the other does not, so it's two people that need to collectively fail and give up! You can say that it's annoying to copy an IP, but the task is objectively simpler and less time consuming than other regular day-to-day activities a smartphone owner would go through. The suggestion that two people should collectively fail the task is, quite frankly, ridiculous. > A QR code is a far better solution Then just use that instead of ranting about how IPs are unacceptable. The button for the QR code is right beside the address in the app. Or if that's too difficult, install the app on both devices so it's automatic.
  - psnehanshu 3y ago
    You maybe coming from a place with high computer literacy, but what I have expressed is what I see in my surroundings. You mentioned electronic bills (idk what that is), bank account/SWIFT/IBAN. You maybe suprised, but these people don't type these numbers at all. They don't ever need to. The most they can type is a phone number. People have more patience to type CC number because it's more important to them than receiving a file, which can be easily shared through WhatsApp etc. For larger files, they will just copy using a data cable, or pendrive. > And unlike the CC info, every IP a non-techie ever deals with - and they have most certainly seen and typed one at least few times at this point, such as when they got internet service - starts with the same 6 digits. Yeah, keep living in your bubble. One rarely needs to type an IP address to use a modern fiber optics internet connection. It's generally pre-cofigured. > A QR code is a far better solution > Then just use that instead of ranting about how IPs are unacceptable. Yes, and I am always going to choose the QR code over typing IP address manually any time of the day.