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That's the point. Apple wants other models' batteries to degrade fast so that the users can upgrade to 15

by gloryjulio 3y ago

nrr 3y ago
Do you have anything other than context clues to go by when making this assertion?
- Gigachad 3y ago
  These discussions are always baseless. Could Apple have enabled this feature for all phones? Maybe Would it have provided any use to older phones? Maybe How much lifespan does it actually add? No one knows Did they do this as planned obsolescence? Maybe. There we go, the whole discussion finished.
gruez 3y ago
But apparently they don't care about future sales from iPhone 15s wearing out?
lttlrck 3y ago
Perhaps they didn't implement this in their BCM, maybe they were so caught up in the cleverness of "optimized" charging they thought it would solve the problem once and for all. Unlikely? Yes, however it's not impossible.... and not the only alternate explanation :-)
whartung 3y ago
My X (bought new phone in December when it was released) was at 85+% on the battery. I replace it with a 15 because it was dropping off the OS bandwagon, needed more storage, battery life, lightning port getting fiddly. The OS support was the stake in the heart. If not for that I would have looked into getting the phone serviced with a new battery and port, and cleaned up some storage.
- selimthegrim 3y ago
  I’m still getting OS updates on my X
  - whartung 3y ago
    iOS 17 does not run on the X.
    - wredue 3y ago
      That sucks. The keyboard improvements in iOS 17 make it finally usable.
jjtheblunt 3y ago
Something seems off: my 13pro stops charging at 80% on purpose though i am not sure if that is a result of some combination of settings.
- clumsysmurf 3y ago
  If its plugged in long enough, iPads and Macs will let it drop to 80% ... but you can't set that limit initially.
  - ewoodrich 3y ago
    My iPhone 12 Mini sadly has never charged to 80% with that setting enabled... I suspect my usage patterns are too irregular as it is my secondary device and mostly lives on its charger.
nomel 3y ago
As mentioned in the article, this has been an automated feature since iOS 8: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512 Looking at my battery history, the automated version has my phone sit at 80% all night, and leaves it at 100% for only a couple hours in the morning. I suspect this will be a fairly negligible impact on battery longevity for me, and most users, without the severe inconvenience of a 20% reduction in battery life. It would be nice to know how the longevity math works out.
- Mawr 3y ago
  Unfortunately, it's not possible to reliably automate this. A phone has no way to tell how it will be used after getting charged. It can try to detect some usage patterns, but it'll just be guessing, so even in the best case scenario it must remain conservative. This is one of my pet peeves - obvious and easy to implement features that are just not there. I literally only switched to iPhones because the blindingly obvious Emergency Bypass feature [1] wasn't available on Android. Phones already perk up when connected to a power source. Why not display an optional dialog with a choice of either the desired max battery level and/or some user-friendly modes like "battery health" vs "battery charge"?! Easy to implement, zero downsides, massive upsides, nobody's doing it. [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph21d43af5b/ios#:~:text=You%20can%20allow%20sounds%20and,then%20turn%20on%20Emergency%20Bypass https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph21d43af5b/io....
  - fomine3 3y ago
    Another example that this feature doesn't work is charging at car. In other words, it may work only while sleeping at night. It's far better than nothing, but I wish the 80% limit feature is available for my 13 mini.

That's the point. Apple wants other models' batteries to degrade fast so that the users can upgrade to 15

nrr 3y ago

Do you have anything other than context clues to go by when making this assertion?

Gigachad 3y ago
These discussions are always baseless. Could Apple have enabled this feature for all phones? Maybe Would it have provided any use to older phones? Maybe How much lifespan does it actually add? No one knows Did they do this as planned obsolescence? Maybe. There we go, the whole discussion finished.

gruez 3y ago

But apparently they don't care about future sales from iPhone 15s wearing out?

lttlrck 3y ago

Perhaps they didn't implement this in their BCM, maybe they were so caught up in the cleverness of "optimized" charging they thought it would solve the problem once and for all. Unlikely? Yes, however it's not impossible.... and not the only alternate explanation :-)

whartung 3y ago

My X (bought new phone in December when it was released) was at 85+% on the battery. I replace it with a 15 because it was dropping off the OS bandwagon, needed more storage, battery life, lightning port getting fiddly. The OS support was the stake in the heart. If not for that I would have looked into getting the phone serviced with a new battery and port, and cleaned up some storage.

selimthegrim 3y ago
I’m still getting OS updates on my X
- whartung 3y ago
  iOS 17 does not run on the X.
  - wredue 3y ago
    That sucks. The keyboard improvements in iOS 17 make it finally usable.

jjtheblunt 3y ago

Something seems off: my 13pro stops charging at 80% on purpose though i am not sure if that is a result of some combination of settings.

clumsysmurf 3y ago
If its plugged in long enough, iPads and Macs will let it drop to 80% ... but you can't set that limit initially.
- ewoodrich 3y ago
  My iPhone 12 Mini sadly has never charged to 80% with that setting enabled... I suspect my usage patterns are too irregular as it is my secondary device and mostly lives on its charger.

nomel 3y ago

As mentioned in the article, this has been an automated feature since iOS 8: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512 Looking at my battery history, the automated version has my phone sit at 80% all night, and leaves it at 100% for only a couple hours in the morning. I suspect this will be a fairly negligible impact on battery longevity for me, and most users, without the severe inconvenience of a 20% reduction in battery life. It would be nice to know how the longevity math works out.

Mawr 3y ago
Unfortunately, it's not possible to reliably automate this. A phone has no way to tell how it will be used after getting charged. It can try to detect some usage patterns, but it'll just be guessing, so even in the best case scenario it must remain conservative. This is one of my pet peeves - obvious and easy to implement features that are just not there. I literally only switched to iPhones because the blindingly obvious Emergency Bypass feature [1] wasn't available on Android. Phones already perk up when connected to a power source. Why not display an optional dialog with a choice of either the desired max battery level and/or some user-friendly modes like "battery health" vs "battery charge"?! Easy to implement, zero downsides, massive upsides, nobody's doing it. [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph21d43af5b/ios#:~:text=You%20can%20allow%20sounds%20and,then%20turn%20on%20Emergency%20Bypass https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph21d43af5b/io....
- fomine3 3y ago
  Another example that this feature doesn't work is charging at car. In other words, it may work only while sleeping at night. It's far better than nothing, but I wish the 80% limit feature is available for my 13 mini.