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They can also still buy it for free if/when it fails

• s1artibartfast 3y ago
  Why would you by something that doesn't make money and nobody else wants?
  • lmm 3y ago
    Because it's making things that are useful to you. The cost of operating Rivian as a zombie company for a few more years might be less than the cost of replacing their vans or finding another supplier for parts. (You might say that in that case Amazon should be willing to pay enough for those parts/maintenance to make Rivian profitable, but they might be willing to pay more for an in-house department that will operate the way they want than for an external company that might waste money continuing to chase other revenue sources instead of gracefully winding down)
    • s1artibartfast 3y ago
      I guess we just differ on our understanding of Van maintenance cost. Rivian is worth 17 billion today, and loses a billion per year. Buying them to support the Amazon fleet would be paying 1.7 million per van upfront, then 100k/year, just to ensure spare parts manufacturer exits. That is one hell of a cost to avoid buying 3rd party parts.
      • lmm 3y ago
        In a scenario where Rivian fails and AWS buys it out of bankruptcy it would presumably cost a lot less than 17 billion. That it's currently burning a billion per year is exactly why it might be worth bringing in house, where they can presumably cut that by a lot.