> I bet the rest of that stack either moved away from php or added extra languages. Heh, nah, the rest of the stack is still running. The first line of PHP cod

> I bet the rest of that stack either moved away from php or added extra languages. Heh, nah, the rest of the stack is still running. The first line of PHP code that I personally wrote was in 1999 and it's still there; the core CMS was written earlier than that. It's not doing anywhere near the traffic it used to (it was a reasonably popular video gaming site back in the day; it gets almost zero maintenance & I'm continually impressed it's online and working just as well as it did (... arguably better because it has so much less load :) > It’s the type of dev using it that’s usually not, I am sorry to say that. I don't disagree but I also don't think that is a problem unique to PHP at all. Arguably some languages are better than others at keeping developers on the rails in some cases, but you're going to see garbage written in everything eventually.