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Anybody can spin up a mirror node, even on the mostly centralized BSC. This is just a misunderstanding. Every public blockchain works this way afaik. I've even

by numtel 3y ago

Anybody can spin up a mirror node, even on the mostly centralized BSC. This is just a misunderstanding. Every public blockchain works this way afaik. I've even made a site for hosting webpages on Optimism: https://newgeocities.com https://newgeocities.com The real discussion imo is that blockchain node operators should be pressured to respond to concerns about unwanted content. There's no reason they can't coordinate on filters in the same way Ethereum validators use Flashbots to ignore Tornado Cash transactions. Although I hope they can find a better solution than blocking entire contracts because it's really nice to write a simple contract for data storage. Remember: a contract is a protocol, not a program. The validators follow the instructions but it's more like a database schema to which people submit conforming messages. As the contract creator, you're just publishing your code on chain. Each user takes responsibility for their own data.

jbaczuk 3y ago
seems like "blockchain" has nothing to do with it... they could just host the file on a server they do control. "Blockchains" aren't magic.
- numtel 3y ago
  It's not magic but it is a radically different pricing model: pay once, host forever. I see it as a massive bet on storage prices continuing to decrease.
  - yieldcrv 3y ago
    I think nocoiners completely miss this aspect, the media too many devs will always post their applications on blockchains, and simply do system design conducive to that environment, because web 2.0 cloud models do not compete in pricing especially if you have a burst of activity many devs bring their whole audience over, and the audience is willing to pay to update the state of the application with no overhead cost to the dev, which is also impossible to implement in web 2.0 cloud offerings, aside from just searching and hoping for free tiers who cares if none of those applications match your use case, just call it the entertainment sector then and you still have value and utility to someone, that self perpetuates
  - jbaczuk 3y ago
    or pay never and host it on the infected website
  - meltedcapacitor 3y ago
    If it becomes a problem consensus can evolve to trim inactive data (say expiring unspent outputs after N blocks in UTXO chains, "move it or lose it" model) or explicit charging for storage per unit of size and time (decay some associated balance accordingly).
- lmm 3y ago
  Blockchains - that is, the communities that use them - are at least theoretically committed to immutable permanent records of everything that happened. By design, if you tried to "retroactively" edit the contents of the blockchain, you would break the whole thing. So if the blockchain hosters stick to their avowed principles and system design, they can't remove your exploit code without taking down their whole system. Of course in reality most blockchain folk are grifters who will happily compromise their principles as soon as you credibly threaten their pocketbook - see the Ethereum DAO for the clearest example. Still, it's funny to force them to admit it.
  - nuancebydefault 3y ago
    In fact the blockchain cannot be broken because it is a chain. Compare it to git commits. If you would hack away one commit in the middle, the whole system would change. The other commits are comparable to any other transaction (ledger) that happened anywhere. As far as i understood, 'in blockchain' =='carved in stone' .
    - lmm 3y ago
      If people actually follow the rules they claim they do then yes. In practice once you ask them to put their money where their mouth is people make an exception. Again see the Ethereum DAO incident.
miohtama 3y ago
Running a BNB Smart Chain full node requires 16 TB fast NVMe disk. "Anybody" cannot do it.
- numtel 3y ago
  Again, that's for a validator node. If you're running a mirror that's not taking part in making new blocks, you don't need the speed, just enough space. It may not be always synced to the latest block but it should work. I believe there's other requirements for BSC validators too, like staking a bunch of BNB.

by numtel 3y ago

jbaczuk 3y ago

seems like "blockchain" has nothing to do with it... they could just host the file on a server they do control. "Blockchains" aren't magic.

numtel 3y ago
It's not magic but it is a radically different pricing model: pay once, host forever. I see it as a massive bet on storage prices continuing to decrease.
- yieldcrv 3y ago
  I think nocoiners completely miss this aspect, the media too many devs will always post their applications on blockchains, and simply do system design conducive to that environment, because web 2.0 cloud models do not compete in pricing especially if you have a burst of activity many devs bring their whole audience over, and the audience is willing to pay to update the state of the application with no overhead cost to the dev, which is also impossible to implement in web 2.0 cloud offerings, aside from just searching and hoping for free tiers who cares if none of those applications match your use case, just call it the entertainment sector then and you still have value and utility to someone, that self perpetuates
- jbaczuk 3y ago
  or pay never and host it on the infected website
- meltedcapacitor 3y ago
  If it becomes a problem consensus can evolve to trim inactive data (say expiring unspent outputs after N blocks in UTXO chains, "move it or lose it" model) or explicit charging for storage per unit of size and time (decay some associated balance accordingly).
lmm 3y ago
Blockchains - that is, the communities that use them - are at least theoretically committed to immutable permanent records of everything that happened. By design, if you tried to "retroactively" edit the contents of the blockchain, you would break the whole thing. So if the blockchain hosters stick to their avowed principles and system design, they can't remove your exploit code without taking down their whole system. Of course in reality most blockchain folk are grifters who will happily compromise their principles as soon as you credibly threaten their pocketbook - see the Ethereum DAO for the clearest example. Still, it's funny to force them to admit it.
- nuancebydefault 3y ago
  In fact the blockchain cannot be broken because it is a chain. Compare it to git commits. If you would hack away one commit in the middle, the whole system would change. The other commits are comparable to any other transaction (ledger) that happened anywhere. As far as i understood, 'in blockchain' =='carved in stone' .
  - lmm 3y ago
    If people actually follow the rules they claim they do then yes. In practice once you ask them to put their money where their mouth is people make an exception. Again see the Ethereum DAO incident.

miohtama 3y ago

Running a BNB Smart Chain full node requires 16 TB fast NVMe disk. "Anybody" cannot do it.

numtel 3y ago
Again, that's for a validator node. If you're running a mirror that's not taking part in making new blocks, you don't need the speed, just enough space. It may not be always synced to the latest block but it should work. I believe there's other requirements for BSC validators too, like staking a bunch of BNB.