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What's the advantage of having the workstation at a datacenter in this context?

by rconti 3y ago

metadat 3y ago
$60/yr vs thousands of $ upfront for a comparable desktop or notebook machine. Not to mention the superior network connectivity (10 gigabit/s). In fact, there are no 10gbps options from the common last mile carriers available at any price (AT&T, Crapcast). And if they did offer it, it'd probably be $500USD/mo+ just for Internet. AT&T has a 5gbps fiber plan available for $250USD+/mo, but there are very few (>10 fractional portions of cities nationally) areas where it is offered today. If you have a strong enough desire for cost-effective, really fucking fast Internet for a fair price, move to Korea. In .kr you can get 10gig for something like $30-50USD/mo. Edit: Oops, my bad. I meant to reply to this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37934982 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37934982. > Step 1. Create an Oracle Cloud account Step 2. Create an Ampere 6 core, 32gb memory instance for like $5/mo Step 3. Use Jetbrains Gateway to run your IDE as a thin client, executing on that host. > You get a pretty darn beefy ARM64 VM instance from OCI for extremely cheap. You can get these in a region near you, with low latency. And Jetbrains Gateway works pretty great. We use OCI, aka Oracle Cloud. As a customer, OCI is more financially appealing compared to the competition (AWS, Azure) for bare compute infra. Not as cheap as OVH, if that fits your requirements. For me though, OCI is preferred because it provides all the standard cloud building blocks of multi-region + (cheap) object storage + block storage. I mean, fuck Oracle and Larry Ellison, right? That said, building and operating a cloud at scale is a lot of work and I'll leverage their work as long as it makes fiscal sense.
- doctorpangloss 3y ago
  The commenter posted about a self-installed machine. Also, colocating GPU servers is expensive, because it's billed at roughly $75 per amp per month, and a typical machine with a single 280W GPU will use about 5 amps at peak.
- hzia 3y ago
  That sounds really low. Do you mind sharing where you rent your racks from?
  - jasonjayr 3y ago
    I was thinking the same. I'm paying about $1600/mo for a 42U rack, 2 x 30A Feeds, and 60mb/s 95th percentile, ipv4 + ipv6
- ctvo 3y ago
  > The workstation has fast 2TB NVMe and 64gb of ram, 16 cores and a RTX GPU. > $60/yr vs thousands of $ upfront for a comparable desktop or notebook machine. I don't think we're talking about the same things here.
  - fswd 3y ago
    I paid $5000 for the workstation (2019) and upgraded to NVMe later, and I pay $0 for the datacenter because I have referred clients to their business and established a relationship over the years. Because when people find out how much cheaper it is to skip the cloud, they switch but don't know where to go. I could upgrade to dual 2.5 GigE but I have nothing that needs that much bandwidth. I can download 30gb from hugging face in a few minutes which doesn't bother me. The DC is about to onboard another client of mine, a startup that ran on AWS credits for 9 months. They are upgrading to a 64 core 2TB ram box that was an extra the DC had, for $3500, which will probably go into the rack next to mine.
- siamese_puff 3y ago
  Where are you seeing these prices? OVH seems way more than what you’re saying, but might be looking at the wrong thing
- tripdout 3y ago
  Intellij Ultimate edition costs more than the server at this point. Wish they'd bring this over to Community and Android Studio.

What's the advantage of having the workstation at a datacenter in this context?

by rconti 3y ago

What's the advantage of having the workstation at a datacenter in this context?

$60/yr vs thousands of $ upfront for a comparable desktop or notebook machine. Not to mention the superior network connectivity (10 gigabit/s). In fact, there are no 10gbps options from the common last mile carriers available at any price (AT&T, Crapcast). And if they did offer it, it'd probably be $500USD/mo+ just for Internet. AT&T has a 5gbps fiber plan available for $250USD+/mo, but there are very few (>10 fractional portions of cities nationally) areas where it is offered today. If you have a strong enough desire for cost-effective, really fucking fast Internet for a fair price, move to Korea. In .kr you can get 10gig for something like $30-50USD/mo. Edit: Oops, my bad. I meant to reply to this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37934982 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37934982. > Step 1. Create an Oracle Cloud account Step 2. Create an Ampere 6 core, 32gb memory instance for like $5/mo Step 3. Use Jetbrains Gateway to run your IDE as a thin client, executing on that host. > You get a pretty darn beefy ARM64 VM instance from OCI for extremely cheap. You can get these in a region near you, with low latency. And Jetbrains Gateway works pretty great. We use OCI, aka Oracle Cloud. As a customer, OCI is more financially appealing compared to the competition (AWS, Azure) for bare compute infra. Not as cheap as OVH, if that fits your requirements. For me though, OCI is preferred because it provides all the standard cloud building blocks of multi-region + (cheap) object storage + block storage. I mean, fuck Oracle and Larry Ellison, right? That said, building and operating a cloud at scale is a lot of work and I'll leverage their work as long as it makes fiscal sense.

doctorpangloss 3y ago
The commenter posted about a self-installed machine. Also, colocating GPU servers is expensive, because it's billed at roughly $75 per amp per month, and a typical machine with a single 280W GPU will use about 5 amps at peak.
hzia 3y ago
That sounds really low. Do you mind sharing where you rent your racks from?
- jasonjayr 3y ago
  I was thinking the same. I'm paying about $1600/mo for a 42U rack, 2 x 30A Feeds, and 60mb/s 95th percentile, ipv4 + ipv6
ctvo 3y ago
> The workstation has fast 2TB NVMe and 64gb of ram, 16 cores and a RTX GPU. > $60/yr vs thousands of $ upfront for a comparable desktop or notebook machine. I don't think we're talking about the same things here.
- fswd 3y ago
  I paid $5000 for the workstation (2019) and upgraded to NVMe later, and I pay $0 for the datacenter because I have referred clients to their business and established a relationship over the years. Because when people find out how much cheaper it is to skip the cloud, they switch but don't know where to go. I could upgrade to dual 2.5 GigE but I have nothing that needs that much bandwidth. I can download 30gb from hugging face in a few minutes which doesn't bother me. The DC is about to onboard another client of mine, a startup that ran on AWS credits for 9 months. They are upgrading to a 64 core 2TB ram box that was an extra the DC had, for $3500, which will probably go into the rack next to mine.
siamese_puff 3y ago
Where are you seeing these prices? OVH seems way more than what you’re saying, but might be looking at the wrong thing
tripdout 3y ago
Intellij Ultimate edition costs more than the server at this point. Wish they'd bring this over to Community and Android Studio.