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isn't it telling that the law office is not named individually, but named in a collective identity as "Top law firm" ? This literally says "you are being puni

isn't it telling that the law office is not named individually, but named in a collective identity as "Top law firm" ? This literally says "you are being punished by the indisputable authority" .. for signing a considered letter of opinion ! let's be very clear about what is happening.. not the subject of the conflict, but the effects on collective public expression

ethanbond 3y ago
Uhhh nope... The firm is named in the subheadline, and it's not a recognizable enough name to go in the headline: "Davis Polk rescinds job offers to Ivy League students who signed Israel letters" doesn't make much sense to most readers, does it?
- starttoaster 3y ago
  "New York City law firm Davis Polk rescinds job offers to Ivy League students who signed Israel letters" makes sense. I think it's fairly well understood, at least to all Americans, that if you own a law firm that operates out of a high rise in Manhattan, you're probably a "top law firm."
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
    At that point they can just say "Top law firm Davis Polk" and then might decide that they prefer the shorter headline of "Top law firm".
  - catlover76 3y ago
    No, it doesn't communicate that to most readers. There are a lot of mid-tier law firms in New York City. And where in your proposed headline does it say "which operates out of a high-rise in Manhattan"? Picking on the existing headline seems pointless to me
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AlbertCory 3y ago
> or signing a considered letter of opinion An "opinion" that torturing, raping, and killing is ok under the circumstances? No, that's only "free expression" if you accept that you've now put yourself outside the bounds of civilized society and the rule of law.
- aidenn0 3y ago
  > No, that's only "free expression" if you accept that you've now put yourself outside the bounds of civilized society and the rule of law. One way of reading your comment is that it advocates violence against the people who signed the letter of opinion (they have put themselves outside the bounds of the "rule of law" after all).
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    ah, it's the old "I'm the victim here!" ploy. Someone applauds violence, and then when anyone calls them out, complains that they're being threatened. Either that, or you're just nitpicking at words.
    - aidenn0 3y ago
      There's some nitpicking at words, but I honestly don't know what you meant by "outside the bounds of ... the rule of law" if it's not either that applauding violence is illegal (it's not in the US) or that the laws protecting most people shouldn't protect those people (which seems contrary to your earlier implication that condoning violence is wrong regardless of circumstances).
      - AlbertCory 3y ago
        first it's "One way of reading your comment" and now it's "There's some nitpicking at words" we're done here. have the last word if that's important to you.

ethanbond 3y ago

Uhhh nope... The firm is named in the subheadline, and it's not a recognizable enough name to go in the headline: "Davis Polk rescinds job offers to Ivy League students who signed Israel letters" doesn't make much sense to most readers, does it?

starttoaster 3y ago
"New York City law firm Davis Polk rescinds job offers to Ivy League students who signed Israel letters" makes sense. I think it's fairly well understood, at least to all Americans, that if you own a law firm that operates out of a high rise in Manhattan, you're probably a "top law firm."
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  At that point they can just say "Top law firm Davis Polk" and then might decide that they prefer the shorter headline of "Top law firm".
- catlover76 3y ago
  No, it doesn't communicate that to most readers. There are a lot of mid-tier law firms in New York City. And where in your proposed headline does it say "which operates out of a high-rise in Manhattan"? Picking on the existing headline seems pointless to me
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AlbertCory 3y ago

> or signing a considered letter of opinion An "opinion" that torturing, raping, and killing is ok under the circumstances? No, that's only "free expression" if you accept that you've now put yourself outside the bounds of civilized society and the rule of law.

aidenn0 3y ago
> No, that's only "free expression" if you accept that you've now put yourself outside the bounds of civilized society and the rule of law. One way of reading your comment is that it advocates violence against the people who signed the letter of opinion (they have put themselves outside the bounds of the "rule of law" after all).
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  ah, it's the old "I'm the victim here!" ploy. Someone applauds violence, and then when anyone calls them out, complains that they're being threatened. Either that, or you're just nitpicking at words.
  - aidenn0 3y ago
    There's some nitpicking at words, but I honestly don't know what you meant by "outside the bounds of ... the rule of law" if it's not either that applauding violence is illegal (it's not in the US) or that the laws protecting most people shouldn't protect those people (which seems contrary to your earlier implication that condoning violence is wrong regardless of circumstances).
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
      first it's "One way of reading your comment" and now it's "There's some nitpicking at words" we're done here. have the last word if that's important to you.