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Its certification being suspended was just that - a suspension, which could have been reenabled at the German government's discretion. Since Germany has tried t

Its certification being suspended was just that - a suspension, which could have been reenabled at the German government's discretion. Since Germany has tried to operate without cheap Russian gas, their economy has since fallen into recession with some extreme inflation, such as ~20% for foodstuffs. And these consequences could have been, more or less, foreseen. If that pipeline was there, there would would be major political pressure on Scholz to get the gas flowing. But without it? Not only was it a severe economic blow to Russia, but it left Germany dependent upon the US for gas, and also helped minimize the risk of internal pressures pushing Germany to cooperate with Russia.

ceejayoz 3y ago
> If that pipeline was there, there would would be major political pressure on Scholz to get the gas flowing. Nah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_2 "In October 2022, Russia confirmed that Pipe B of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline escaped destruction, and offered to resume gas supply to Europe (which was promptly declined by Berlin)."
- somenameforme 3y ago
  Touché? Ah, but I riposte! "A clear majority of German voters want the [current] ruling coalition to be dissolved in favour of a snap election, according to a poll. More than 75 per cent of Germans are dissatisfied with the government’s performance and over 50 per cent say they want fundamentally new approaches to immigration, housing, energy and welfare policy." [1] Apparently the prophesized pressure on Scholz's government is indeed coming to pass. The ruling party is getting walloped by their local populist right wingers, who don't seem particularly offended by the idea of working with Russia. [2] Of course the "U" word is never once directly mentioned, so far I can see, in the media articles, but such is the state of the media now a days. I'm quite curious if most Germans know of the B pipeline? [1] - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/most-german-voters-want-a-snap-election-polling-shows-tmg8rkzds https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/most-german-voters-want-a... [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement
  - JAlexoid 3y ago
    Seriously... When it comes to opinions - appeasement isn't exactly the top priority. https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3092 https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3092 https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/api/deliverable/download/file?deliverableId=88819 https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/api/deliverable/download/fil...
    - somenameforme 3y ago
      Absolutely agreed, but self interest is. Populist and nationalist parties like AfD are rising throughout Europe [1], and most of the Western world. IMO this is not because of geopolitical positions, but in contradiction to them. It's not about doing what is good or bad to some foreign country, but about doing what is good for your own country and your own people. [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/08/world/europe/bavaria-elections-germany-scholz.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/08/world/europe/bavaria-elec...

ceejayoz 3y ago

> If that pipeline was there, there would would be major political pressure on Scholz to get the gas flowing. Nah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_2 "In October 2022, Russia confirmed that Pipe B of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline escaped destruction, and offered to resume gas supply to Europe (which was promptly declined by Berlin)."

somenameforme 3y ago
Touché? Ah, but I riposte! "A clear majority of German voters want the [current] ruling coalition to be dissolved in favour of a snap election, according to a poll. More than 75 per cent of Germans are dissatisfied with the government’s performance and over 50 per cent say they want fundamentally new approaches to immigration, housing, energy and welfare policy." [1] Apparently the prophesized pressure on Scholz's government is indeed coming to pass. The ruling party is getting walloped by their local populist right wingers, who don't seem particularly offended by the idea of working with Russia. [2] Of course the "U" word is never once directly mentioned, so far I can see, in the media articles, but such is the state of the media now a days. I'm quite curious if most Germans know of the B pipeline? [1] - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/most-german-voters-want-a-snap-election-polling-shows-tmg8rkzds https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/most-german-voters-want-a... [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement
- JAlexoid 3y ago
  Seriously... When it comes to opinions - appeasement isn't exactly the top priority. https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3092 https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3092 https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/api/deliverable/download/file?deliverableId=88819 https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/api/deliverable/download/fil...
  - somenameforme 3y ago
    Absolutely agreed, but self interest is. Populist and nationalist parties like AfD are rising throughout Europe [1], and most of the Western world. IMO this is not because of geopolitical positions, but in contradiction to them. It's not about doing what is good or bad to some foreign country, but about doing what is good for your own country and your own people. [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/08/world/europe/bavaria-elections-germany-scholz.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/08/world/europe/bavaria-elec...