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Reinforced concrete is far stronger than unbaked mud bricks, by pretty much any measure you care to name. Or you can simply look at the results on the ground.

Reinforced concrete is far stronger than unbaked mud bricks, by pretty much any measure you care to name. Or you can simply look at the results on the ground. Afghanistan (where mud brick and adobe are popular construction materials) recently suffered several earthquakes in the magnitude 6 range. Death toll: many thousands. Anchorage, Alaska (which has modern building codes that exclude mud bricks and the like) suffered a magnitude 7.1 earthquake in 2018. Death toll: zero.

littlestymaar 3y ago
> Reinforced concrete is far stronger than unbaked mud bricks, by pretty much any measure you care to name. No. Reinforced concrete crumbles after a few decades due to steel expanding under corrosion (rust takes more volume than steel, making the concrete crack, increasing corrosion, and so on). So reinforced concrete is tougher, and stronger, but also much less durable. > Afghanistan (where mud brick and adobe are popular construction materials) recently suffered several earthquakes in the magnitude 6 range. > Death toll: many thousands. > Anchorage, Alaska (which has modern building codes that exclude mud bricks and the like) suffered a magnitude 7.1 earthquake in 2018. > Death toll: zero. Turkey this year, where many building where from the late 90 and later and build out of reinforced concrete (but without state-enforced regulation). Death toll: many thousands. Eh! Reinforced concrete doesn't make buildings earthquake-proof, (properly enforced) earthquake safety regulations do.
- cvccvroomvroom 3y ago
  Unconvincing, disingenuous conflation of Gaza City apartments vs. most parking structures in the US.
- mikewarot 3y ago
  >Turkey this year, where many building where from the late 90 and later and build out of reinforced concrete They didn't follow the building codes, and were poorly constructed out of sub-standard materials, it's unsurprising things went horribly wrong.
  - littlestymaar 3y ago
    My point exactly: > Reinforced concrete doesn't make buildings earthquake-proof, (properly enforced) earthquake safety regulations do.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  > Reinforced concrete crumbles after a few decades due to steel expanding under corrosion This is caused by pore water. By comparison, mud bricks crumble instantly if they get wet, not "after a few decades". > Reinforced concrete doesn't make buildings earthquake-proof, (properly enforced) earthquake safety regulations do. Compared to mud bricks? Yes, yes, it does. I'm sorry, reinforced concrete is a better building material than unbaked mud bricks by every possible metric, except maybe cost..
  - littlestymaar 3y ago
    > This is caused by pore water. By comparison, mud bricks crumble instantly if they get wet, not "after a few decades No… That's fascinating that we are having this discussion honesty. This shows you don't have any idea about how this works but are here saying nonsense with a sense if self satisfaction… FYI mud brick don't collapse when they're “wet”, soaked maybe they could but unless you put them in water or leave it unprotected from the top during monsoon, it's not happening. > Compared to mud bricks? Yes, yes, it does Yet Turkey… But hey, I know you don't give a shit about facts, you've just shown it above > I'm sorry, reinforced concrete is a better building material than unbaked mud bricks by every possible metric, except maybe cost.. Ever heard of CO2 emissions?

littlestymaar 3y ago

> Reinforced concrete is far stronger than unbaked mud bricks, by pretty much any measure you care to name. No. Reinforced concrete crumbles after a few decades due to steel expanding under corrosion (rust takes more volume than steel, making the concrete crack, increasing corrosion, and so on). So reinforced concrete is tougher, and stronger, but also much less durable. > Afghanistan (where mud brick and adobe are popular construction materials) recently suffered several earthquakes in the magnitude 6 range. > Death toll: many thousands. > Anchorage, Alaska (which has modern building codes that exclude mud bricks and the like) suffered a magnitude 7.1 earthquake in 2018. > Death toll: zero. Turkey this year, where many building where from the late 90 and later and build out of reinforced concrete (but without state-enforced regulation). Death toll: many thousands. Eh! Reinforced concrete doesn't make buildings earthquake-proof, (properly enforced) earthquake safety regulations do.

cvccvroomvroom 3y ago
Unconvincing, disingenuous conflation of Gaza City apartments vs. most parking structures in the US.
mikewarot 3y ago
>Turkey this year, where many building where from the late 90 and later and build out of reinforced concrete They didn't follow the building codes, and were poorly constructed out of sub-standard materials, it's unsurprising things went horribly wrong.
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  My point exactly: > Reinforced concrete doesn't make buildings earthquake-proof, (properly enforced) earthquake safety regulations do.
Turing_Machine 3y ago
> Reinforced concrete crumbles after a few decades due to steel expanding under corrosion This is caused by pore water. By comparison, mud bricks crumble instantly if they get wet, not "after a few decades". > Reinforced concrete doesn't make buildings earthquake-proof, (properly enforced) earthquake safety regulations do. Compared to mud bricks? Yes, yes, it does. I'm sorry, reinforced concrete is a better building material than unbaked mud bricks by every possible metric, except maybe cost..
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  > This is caused by pore water. By comparison, mud bricks crumble instantly if they get wet, not "after a few decades No… That's fascinating that we are having this discussion honesty. This shows you don't have any idea about how this works but are here saying nonsense with a sense if self satisfaction… FYI mud brick don't collapse when they're “wet”, soaked maybe they could but unless you put them in water or leave it unprotected from the top during monsoon, it's not happening. > Compared to mud bricks? Yes, yes, it does Yet Turkey… But hey, I know you don't give a shit about facts, you've just shown it above > I'm sorry, reinforced concrete is a better building material than unbaked mud bricks by every possible metric, except maybe cost.. Ever heard of CO2 emissions?