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> I interpreted this as an unconscious attempt to marginalize the efforts and sacrifices made by those who fought against Apartheid in South Africa, including N

> I interpreted this as an unconscious attempt to marginalize the efforts and sacrifices made by those who fought against Apartheid in South Africa, including Nelson Mandela and many others - in order to increase emotional response for your cause. Nelson mandela HIMSELF called the Israel situation “Apartheid”.

drooby 3y ago
Citation needed. My research indicates this is false information.
- aa-jv 3y ago
  Edit: It was his grandson: Addressing a large audience, Mandela said that the Nation-State Law passed in 2018 declaring Israel to be the historical homeland of the Jewish people “confirmed what we have always known to be the true character and reality of Israel: Israel is an apartheid state”.
  - drooby 3y ago
    You’re quoting his grandson…Mandela died in 2013
    - johnnyworker 3y ago
      > "As I listened to the Arab League and as I listened to colleagues from Palestine, its sounds like this plan has been consulted without all the people that matter and it sounds like a Bantustan type of construct." -- https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nelson-mandela-30-years-palestine https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nelson-mandela-30-years-p...
      - drooby 3y ago
        ??? You’re quoting the South African President Cyril Ramaphosa who spoke in 2020. Again, Mandela died in 2013. It is not in contention that Mandela supported Palestinians. Though I cannot find evidence that he referred to the Israel conflict as apartheid.
        johnnyworker 3y ago
        You're right, I hadn't noticed, thanks for pointing it out. I looked some more and found nothing. Criticism of Israel, yes, but not using that exact word. https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/50771/did-nelson-mandela-directly-compare-or-accuse-israel-of-apartheid https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/50771/did-nelso...
- avgcorrection 3y ago
  I'm sorry. It seems that this didn't happen. One source of this false information might have been a satirical letter written by El Fassed which was signed by Mandela. The satire being apparent on the original publication but then picked up by others as a real letter.
aa-jv 3y ago
No kidding. The doublethink in this, is astonishing! "Not using the term apartheid" is, itself, an attempt to marginalize the efforts and sacrifices made by the Palestinian people against the apartheid state forced upon them.

drooby 3y ago

Citation needed. My research indicates this is false information.

aa-jv 3y ago
Edit: It was his grandson: Addressing a large audience, Mandela said that the Nation-State Law passed in 2018 declaring Israel to be the historical homeland of the Jewish people “confirmed what we have always known to be the true character and reality of Israel: Israel is an apartheid state”.
- drooby 3y ago
  You’re quoting his grandson…Mandela died in 2013
  - johnnyworker 3y ago
    > "As I listened to the Arab League and as I listened to colleagues from Palestine, its sounds like this plan has been consulted without all the people that matter and it sounds like a Bantustan type of construct." -- https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nelson-mandela-30-years-palestine https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nelson-mandela-30-years-p...
    - drooby 3y ago
      ??? You’re quoting the South African President Cyril Ramaphosa who spoke in 2020. Again, Mandela died in 2013. It is not in contention that Mandela supported Palestinians. Though I cannot find evidence that he referred to the Israel conflict as apartheid.
      - johnnyworker 3y ago
        You're right, I hadn't noticed, thanks for pointing it out. I looked some more and found nothing. Criticism of Israel, yes, but not using that exact word. https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/50771/did-nelson-mandela-directly-compare-or-accuse-israel-of-apartheid https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/50771/did-nelso...
avgcorrection 3y ago
I'm sorry. It seems that this didn't happen. One source of this false information might have been a satirical letter written by El Fassed which was signed by Mandela. The satire being apparent on the original publication but then picked up by others as a real letter.

aa-jv 3y ago

No kidding. The doublethink in this, is astonishing! "Not using the term apartheid" is, itself, an attempt to marginalize the efforts and sacrifices made by the Palestinian people against the apartheid state forced upon them.