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What do these people want? I support Palestinian freedom. I want them to have their own state. I want them to be prosperous and happy. But given a free and fa

What do these people want? I support Palestinian freedom. I want them to have their own state. I want them to be prosperous and happy. But given a free and fair election they didn't choose that. They chose Hamas who then turned into a violent dictatorship killing a lot of Palestinians along the way. Now Hamas rips up infrastructure that the West donates like water pumps in order to build missiles. So what do they want? All of us to die at the hands of Hamas and Hezbollah? Their literal goal is to drive us into the sea. We need practical real solutions. I'm asking an honest question not a rhetorical one: what do they want? If we give Palestinians total freedom tomorrow they will turn around and try to murder us. As they just did to 1300 innocent people. The worst day since the Holocaust. All of this reminds me of the performative actions around Ukraine. End the war to save lives by having Ukraine agree to be incorporated up Russia. Not that any of the people advocating this in the West like Chomsky would volunteer to live in a Russian dictatorship. Same here. How many of these people are willing to go live next to Hamas and Hezbollah and put their own families at real risk of death?

Synaesthesia 3y ago
Hamas offered to make peace along the two state solution in 2006 when they were elected, they continue to maintain that position. Israel knows how to end the rockets, make peace and end the brutal siege.
- light_hue_1 3y ago
  This is totally false. Hamas never offered peace. It's very easy to fall for Hamas propaganda. Israel has offered the two state solution over a dozen times! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_peace_process https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_... But what Hamas means by a two state solution includes two things that don't make it a two state solution. The right of return and killing Jews. When Hamas says they offer peace read carefully. They offer a peace where Israel must withdraw (that's fine) but where all Palestinians have the right to reclaim every house they had before Israel existed. This means killing Jews. How is that peace? Read for yourself https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/08/israel1 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2006/... They aren't offering peace. They're offering for Israel and all Jews to volunteer for suicide. Would you do this? Allow a native American to murder your family because they have a claim to the land you're on?
  - Synaesthesia 3y ago
    If Palestinians are allowed to enter Israel, doesn't mean everybody will be murdered. They certainly don't have the power to do that anyway.
- drooby 3y ago
  The first line of Hamas’ charter is the complete destruction of Israel
  - Synaesthesia 3y ago
    They've said they are no longer bound by that charter. The Likud party charter also calls for the destruction of Palestine, but it has never renounced that.
    - drooby 3y ago
      The "updated" charter is a wolf in sheep's clothing as an attempt to appease the international community. Hamas is still waging a holy war jihad, and their updated charter still does not recognize Israel as a sovereign state nor does it accept a two-state solution. They are still completely willing to use terror and violence to achieve this result. As evidence by their daily actions. You can read the updated charter here: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full > Palestine symbolises the resistance that shall continue until liberation is accomplished, until the return is fulfilled and until a fully sovereign state is established with Jerusalem as its capital. ... > ...Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means. > Resisting the occupation with all means and methods is a legitimate right guaranteed by divine laws and by international norms and laws. At the heart of these lies armed resistance, which is regarded as the strategic choice for protecting the principles and the rights of the Palestinian people. > A real state of Palestine is a state that has been liberated. There is no alternative to a fully sovereign Palestinian State on the entire national Palestinian soil, with Jerusalem as its capital. Regarding Likud. I don't agree with Likud or Netanyahu either. An important difference though is that Israel is a democracy and power will shift.. probably soon.

Synaesthesia 3y ago

Hamas offered to make peace along the two state solution in 2006 when they were elected, they continue to maintain that position. Israel knows how to end the rockets, make peace and end the brutal siege.

light_hue_1 3y ago
This is totally false. Hamas never offered peace. It's very easy to fall for Hamas propaganda. Israel has offered the two state solution over a dozen times! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_peace_process https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_... But what Hamas means by a two state solution includes two things that don't make it a two state solution. The right of return and killing Jews. When Hamas says they offer peace read carefully. They offer a peace where Israel must withdraw (that's fine) but where all Palestinians have the right to reclaim every house they had before Israel existed. This means killing Jews. How is that peace? Read for yourself https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/08/israel1 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2006/... They aren't offering peace. They're offering for Israel and all Jews to volunteer for suicide. Would you do this? Allow a native American to murder your family because they have a claim to the land you're on?
- Synaesthesia 3y ago
  If Palestinians are allowed to enter Israel, doesn't mean everybody will be murdered. They certainly don't have the power to do that anyway.
drooby 3y ago
The first line of Hamas’ charter is the complete destruction of Israel
- Synaesthesia 3y ago
  They've said they are no longer bound by that charter. The Likud party charter also calls for the destruction of Palestine, but it has never renounced that.
  - drooby 3y ago
    The "updated" charter is a wolf in sheep's clothing as an attempt to appease the international community. Hamas is still waging a holy war jihad, and their updated charter still does not recognize Israel as a sovereign state nor does it accept a two-state solution. They are still completely willing to use terror and violence to achieve this result. As evidence by their daily actions. You can read the updated charter here: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full > Palestine symbolises the resistance that shall continue until liberation is accomplished, until the return is fulfilled and until a fully sovereign state is established with Jerusalem as its capital. ... > ...Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means. > Resisting the occupation with all means and methods is a legitimate right guaranteed by divine laws and by international norms and laws. At the heart of these lies armed resistance, which is regarded as the strategic choice for protecting the principles and the rights of the Palestinian people. > A real state of Palestine is a state that has been liberated. There is no alternative to a fully sovereign Palestinian State on the entire national Palestinian soil, with Jerusalem as its capital. Regarding Likud. I don't agree with Likud or Netanyahu either. An important difference though is that Israel is a democracy and power will shift.. probably soon.