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i've been freelancer and app creator for more than 10 years. what's great with php(was) that it just worked. The apps just worked in virtual server for 10 years

i've been freelancer and app creator for more than 10 years. what's great with php(was) that it just worked. The apps just worked in virtual server for 10 years. Not anymore. with packet system (composer) +php 7.4...8 and need to have js-frontend everything nothing works anymore. Need to use my time instead of new features to fix build and packet manager problems and these are really difficult to explain to customers. aahh those easy days with php 5.6 and jquery

lucideer 3y ago
It still just works. Every single thing you could do without a package manager in 2009 still works fine without composer in 2023. All composer adds is the ability to easily use other people's code in your app. And that's not a new thing: people did that in one of two ways pre-2010: 1. They used PEAR/PECL, upon which composer is a massive improvement 2. They copied it from experts exchange, some spammy site like hotscripts.com, or - most often - from the comments section on php.net. The latter was a surprisingly good source but none of this was ever sustainable.
- KronisLV 3y ago
  > ...from the comments section on php.net. The latter was a surprisingly good source but none of this was ever sustainable. Honestly, I wish more documentation out there had comments/discussion at the bottom. For example, what if would be like to find myself reading about setting up OpenID Connect and having the first (most upvoted) comments on the first page explain things that might not be clear in the docs, analogies that make things easier to understand, or code/configuration snippets for a particular technology. Somehow the comments in PHP docs were usually like: "after reading the docs, here's what you might want to really know", a bit like those tl;dr apps for manpages: https://tldr.sh/ https://tldr.sh/
  - WesolyKubeczek 3y ago
    I don’t know how they kept the comments section free from shitposting and actually useful.

lucideer 3y ago

It still just works. Every single thing you could do without a package manager in 2009 still works fine without composer in 2023. All composer adds is the ability to easily use other people's code in your app. And that's not a new thing: people did that in one of two ways pre-2010: 1. They used PEAR/PECL, upon which composer is a massive improvement 2. They copied it from experts exchange, some spammy site like hotscripts.com, or - most often - from the comments section on php.net. The latter was a surprisingly good source but none of this was ever sustainable.

KronisLV 3y ago
> ...from the comments section on php.net. The latter was a surprisingly good source but none of this was ever sustainable. Honestly, I wish more documentation out there had comments/discussion at the bottom. For example, what if would be like to find myself reading about setting up OpenID Connect and having the first (most upvoted) comments on the first page explain things that might not be clear in the docs, analogies that make things easier to understand, or code/configuration snippets for a particular technology. Somehow the comments in PHP docs were usually like: "after reading the docs, here's what you might want to really know", a bit like those tl;dr apps for manpages: https://tldr.sh/ https://tldr.sh/
- WesolyKubeczek 3y ago
  I don’t know how they kept the comments section free from shitposting and actually useful.