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As one of the devs of the project, I will try to answer your questions as much as possible.

by koen31 3y ago

yieldcrv 3y ago
on occasion I like to watch the creator's simulcast, but different angles like, the Youtube/Twitch feed be their main content with a camera directly on the creator with them superimposed on a screen recording, and the TikTok feed might be a different angle. But the comments and interactions are wildly different. The main purpose is to funnel towards either one, or yet another platform for payment, but this can be entertaining on its own to watch both. does your app solve anything for that use case, or have any aspirations to? I think its useful to just be able to follow someone around, I have always contended that social graphs are easily exportable and the platform doesn't matter and I'd like to see social graphs as a first class citizen as opposed to being happenstance behind social media company's newfangled platforms.
- koen31 3y ago
  The first step (which is now already working) is that creators can create a polycentric identity and link their platforms together using the Harbor app. If you are then subscribed to their YouTube channel, you will also see content they post on any other platform like Patreon, etc. You subscribe to the creator, not the platform identity. We cannot easily provide social graphs for platforms we cannot control. However, we also offer the option to make Polycentric comments where you as the commenter own your comment, rather than the platform owning the comment. Polycentric is an open protocol https://docs.polycentric.io/ https://docs.polycentric.io/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLoCtRzTkJQ&t=0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLoCtRzTkJQ&t=0s and you are free to create any social graph you might want to. I hope this answers your question sufficiently.
philipwhiuk 3y ago
Given YouTube's business model is reliant on ads and serving a stream of multiple videos how long do you seriously expect to remain unblocked?
moonleay 3y ago
Will there be support for streaming videos from Piped instances?
- koen31 3y ago
  The plugin is not in the pipeline right now. However, anybody can make a plugin (see https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/plugins https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/plugins for examples). We will also publish more docs soon to help people get started (heres a small getting started doc https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master/plugin-development.md?ref_type=heads https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master...). Perhaps in the future once we have a bit more time we can spend more time adding platforms.
  - zakki 3y ago
    What is the license for the plugin?
    - Timshel 3y ago
      All plugins appear to be under AGPL v3 cf: https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/plugins/youtube/-/blob/master/LICENSE https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/plugins/youtube/-/blo...
TT-392 3y ago
How does the app get the youtube videos, and their info. Is it scraping, like newpipe. Using official api's, maybe something closer to what youtube vanced did? Would it just stop working when WEI is implemented?
alexvoda 3y ago
Please tell Louis he is damaging the project by calling it open source when it is not. If you want to be Free Libre Open Source Software then use an OSI and FSF approved licence. If you want to be FLOSS and protect your brand from people cloning your app, do like Mozilla and use a trademark + MPL. If you don't want to be open source don't call it open source, it's shared source or something else. I told him and he did not seem to consider it a big deal.
- tcfhgj 3y ago
  He called it open source, not floss, didn't he? It's not shared source, since anyone is able to inspect the source code, not just a subset of people
  - alexvoda 3y ago
    This is a settled debate. You will not convince anyone to use your definitions. We had this debate when MongoDB switched, when CockroachDB switched and for many others. And nothing has changed. Open source means OSI-approved licence and that will not change. This is shared source or source-available, not open source.
    - tcfhgj 3y ago
      You aren't authorative for the term either. And, obviously, thanks to your comments, the debate doesn't seem to be settled.
      - jillesvangurp 3y ago
        The debate only exists in the heads of apologists for shared source. The OSI definition exists to remove the need for a debate. It's either OSS or it isn't per their definition.
        tcfhgj 3y ago
        Interesting rejection of reality
Lycake 3y ago
Can't install, only ever get "Problem parsing the package" with the universal and the specific apk. What is the minimum required Android version? I'm still on 9
- koen31 3y ago
  We are minimal SDK 29 right now (https://developer.android.com/tools/releases/platforms https://developer.android.com/tools/releases/platforms) we will look into lowering the requirement to Android 9, there seem to be quite a lot of requests for that.
  - Lycake 3y ago
    Thank you. Not really surprising to see a lot of those request. A lot of the audience is coming from Louis at the moment. Seeing his ongoing fight for right to repair, I'd expect there to be a lot of people with older phones with older android versions
  - IYasha 3y ago
    So, I'm out of luck with by Android 5 and 8? :((((((
Lycake 3y ago
Some creators have already branched out and are posting some of their content to multiple platforms (maybe with different titles/thumbnails targeted for the specific platform). That would show up in my feed multiple times and I would have to click on each to find out I've already watched it. Do you try to deal with that in any way?
- koen31 3y ago
  Creators can create a polycentric identity and link their platforms together using the Harbor app. If you are then subscribed to their YouTube channel, you will also see content they post on any other platform like Patreon, etc. You subscribe to the creator, not the platform identity. There are also very simple dedup algorithms to try and deduplicate your feed. However, they can probably still be improved.
Sytten 3y ago
For the plugin I would add an API to let the developer define user settings. For example look at what Xtra (https://github.com/crackededed/Xtra https://github.com/crackededed/Xtra) offers for twitch. The most important is to be able to set a proxy to retrieve the feed in countries without ads and even bypass country geo-locks for content. Now I would probably not ship this in the official plugin, but my point is that you need to be able to expose those settings in the plugin.

As one of the devs of the project, I will try to answer your questions as much as possible.

by koen31 3y ago

As one of the devs of the project, I will try to answer your questions as much as possible.

on occasion I like to watch the creator's simulcast, but different angles like, the Youtube/Twitch feed be their main content with a camera directly on the creator with them superimposed on a screen recording, and the TikTok feed might be a different angle. But the comments and interactions are wildly different. The main purpose is to funnel towards either one, or yet another platform for payment, but this can be entertaining on its own to watch both. does your app solve anything for that use case, or have any aspirations to? I think its useful to just be able to follow someone around, I have always contended that social graphs are easily exportable and the platform doesn't matter and I'd like to see social graphs as a first class citizen as opposed to being happenstance behind social media company's newfangled platforms.

koen31 3y ago
The first step (which is now already working) is that creators can create a polycentric identity and link their platforms together using the Harbor app. If you are then subscribed to their YouTube channel, you will also see content they post on any other platform like Patreon, etc. You subscribe to the creator, not the platform identity. We cannot easily provide social graphs for platforms we cannot control. However, we also offer the option to make Polycentric comments where you as the commenter own your comment, rather than the platform owning the comment. Polycentric is an open protocol https://docs.polycentric.io/ https://docs.polycentric.io/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLoCtRzTkJQ&t=0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLoCtRzTkJQ&t=0s and you are free to create any social graph you might want to. I hope this answers your question sufficiently.

philipwhiuk 3y ago

Given YouTube's business model is reliant on ads and serving a stream of multiple videos how long do you seriously expect to remain unblocked?

moonleay 3y ago

Will there be support for streaming videos from Piped instances?

koen31 3y ago
The plugin is not in the pipeline right now. However, anybody can make a plugin (see https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/plugins https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/plugins for examples). We will also publish more docs soon to help people get started (heres a small getting started doc https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master/plugin-development.md?ref_type=heads https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master...). Perhaps in the future once we have a bit more time we can spend more time adding platforms.
- zakki 3y ago
  What is the license for the plugin?
  - Timshel 3y ago
    All plugins appear to be under AGPL v3 cf: https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/plugins/youtube/-/blob/master/LICENSE https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/plugins/youtube/-/blo...

TT-392 3y ago

How does the app get the youtube videos, and their info. Is it scraping, like newpipe. Using official api's, maybe something closer to what youtube vanced did? Would it just stop working when WEI is implemented?

alexvoda 3y ago

Please tell Louis he is damaging the project by calling it open source when it is not. If you want to be Free Libre Open Source Software then use an OSI and FSF approved licence. If you want to be FLOSS and protect your brand from people cloning your app, do like Mozilla and use a trademark + MPL. If you don't want to be open source don't call it open source, it's shared source or something else. I told him and he did not seem to consider it a big deal.

tcfhgj 3y ago
He called it open source, not floss, didn't he? It's not shared source, since anyone is able to inspect the source code, not just a subset of people
- alexvoda 3y ago
  This is a settled debate. You will not convince anyone to use your definitions. We had this debate when MongoDB switched, when CockroachDB switched and for many others. And nothing has changed. Open source means OSI-approved licence and that will not change. This is shared source or source-available, not open source.
  - tcfhgj 3y ago
    You aren't authorative for the term either. And, obviously, thanks to your comments, the debate doesn't seem to be settled.
    - jillesvangurp 3y ago
      The debate only exists in the heads of apologists for shared source. The OSI definition exists to remove the need for a debate. It's either OSS or it isn't per their definition.
      - tcfhgj 3y ago
        Interesting rejection of reality

Lycake 3y ago

Can't install, only ever get "Problem parsing the package" with the universal and the specific apk. What is the minimum required Android version? I'm still on 9

koen31 3y ago
We are minimal SDK 29 right now (https://developer.android.com/tools/releases/platforms https://developer.android.com/tools/releases/platforms) we will look into lowering the requirement to Android 9, there seem to be quite a lot of requests for that.
- Lycake 3y ago
  Thank you. Not really surprising to see a lot of those request. A lot of the audience is coming from Louis at the moment. Seeing his ongoing fight for right to repair, I'd expect there to be a lot of people with older phones with older android versions
- IYasha 3y ago
  So, I'm out of luck with by Android 5 and 8? :((((((

Lycake 3y ago

Some creators have already branched out and are posting some of their content to multiple platforms (maybe with different titles/thumbnails targeted for the specific platform). That would show up in my feed multiple times and I would have to click on each to find out I've already watched it. Do you try to deal with that in any way?

koen31 3y ago
Creators can create a polycentric identity and link their platforms together using the Harbor app. If you are then subscribed to their YouTube channel, you will also see content they post on any other platform like Patreon, etc. You subscribe to the creator, not the platform identity. There are also very simple dedup algorithms to try and deduplicate your feed. However, they can probably still be improved.

Sytten 3y ago

For the plugin I would add an API to let the developer define user settings. For example look at what Xtra (https://github.com/crackededed/Xtra https://github.com/crackededed/Xtra) offers for twitch. The most important is to be able to set a proxy to retrieve the feed in countries without ads and even bypass country geo-locks for content. Now I would probably not ship this in the official plugin, but my point is that you need to be able to expose those settings in the plugin.