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Of course it was sequenced by virologists, they're the ones who were there at the start when they let it escape, they're the ones who were splicing cleavage sit

by nvm0n2 3y ago

Of course it was sequenced by virologists, they're the ones who were there at the start when they let it escape, they're the ones who were splicing cleavage sites into it and developing vaccines against what they'd developed. It's all in the grant application to read about there. Then they provided the sequences to allies via back channels early on. So they don't get points for being first, when they're the ones who created the problem in the first place.

shadowgovt 3y ago
Part of me wishes the international virology community was as coordinated as you imagine. It would be nice if we could place the blame on a shadow cabal who sickened the world on purpose for grant money. It would be convenient. The real world is not nearly that tidy. Most of the Wuhan lab researchers' counterparts don't even speak Chinese, and you're imagining some kind of international conspiracy to drum up a disease and the cure for it. Oh, to have the naive optimism of the conspiracy theorist. A lot of my projects would be so much more easy if people worked that way.
- nvm0n2 3y ago
  You're a virologist then? That would make sense given your other replies. > Part of me wishes the international virology community was as coordinated as you imagine It's pretty damn coordinated and we have the receipts to prove it. Sorry for you if you're not in the loop, but when you read chat transcripts, meeting notes, and emails where they literally organize a conspiracy to shut down all public discussion, and no virologists stand up to say, "this stance is not accurate", then we may as well consider virology to be globally coordinated. By the way, cut the condescending tone about conspiracy theorists. They utterly won this round, beyond all possible doubt. The people who blithely dismiss any possibility of academic conspiracy turned out to be the naive ones. The people who posited a conspiracy to suppress discussion of lab leaks can now point to reams of hard evidence where scientists literally say they're going to publish statements they don't believe for political reasons, where they say they're going to engineer a SARS-CoV-2 like virus, where they say they're going to do it in order to develop a vaccine against it. Basically every conspiracy theory turned out to be true. You should respect that a lot more!
  - shadowgovt 3y ago
    Most of what you're just wrote is flatly untrue. If there are receipts, post them.

by nvm0n2 3y ago

shadowgovt 3y ago

Part of me wishes the international virology community was as coordinated as you imagine. It would be nice if we could place the blame on a shadow cabal who sickened the world on purpose for grant money. It would be convenient. The real world is not nearly that tidy. Most of the Wuhan lab researchers' counterparts don't even speak Chinese, and you're imagining some kind of international conspiracy to drum up a disease and the cure for it. Oh, to have the naive optimism of the conspiracy theorist. A lot of my projects would be so much more easy if people worked that way.

nvm0n2 3y ago
You're a virologist then? That would make sense given your other replies. > Part of me wishes the international virology community was as coordinated as you imagine It's pretty damn coordinated and we have the receipts to prove it. Sorry for you if you're not in the loop, but when you read chat transcripts, meeting notes, and emails where they literally organize a conspiracy to shut down all public discussion, and no virologists stand up to say, "this stance is not accurate", then we may as well consider virology to be globally coordinated. By the way, cut the condescending tone about conspiracy theorists. They utterly won this round, beyond all possible doubt. The people who blithely dismiss any possibility of academic conspiracy turned out to be the naive ones. The people who posited a conspiracy to suppress discussion of lab leaks can now point to reams of hard evidence where scientists literally say they're going to publish statements they don't believe for political reasons, where they say they're going to engineer a SARS-CoV-2 like virus, where they say they're going to do it in order to develop a vaccine against it. Basically every conspiracy theory turned out to be true. You should respect that a lot more!
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  Most of what you're just wrote is flatly untrue. If there are receipts, post them.