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No, I will repeat this again and again, dividing people to helfpul and not helpful is immoral. Of course it's not obvious who is who! How can you boldly proclai
by rini17 3y ago
No, I will repeat this again and again, dividing people to helfpul and not helpful is immoral. Of course it's not obvious who is who! How can you boldly proclaim that while we have pandemic of invisible mental illnesses, drug abuse and long covid? Even many people with obvious and surmountable disabilities are neglected and gave up trying to do anything valuable.
If you let them perish that ends up more expensive for whole society than supporting them all, and enabling at least some of them to be, as you say "helpful". You can't sort them out in advance, that's why everyone should be supported equally.
- aristofun 3y agoI wish you could remain logical in this discussion. I ask you: is it good to be X? Your answer: how can you tell if someone is X? (Presupposition that we have some good enough way to know was _outside_ of my question) Good luck with promoting utopias )
- rini17 3y agoLogical and moral reasoning about nebulous concepts (such as the "freeloader") is a road to hell. I grew up in communist Czechoslovakia and back then all bourgeoisie were called freeloaders(or even parasites) because they supposedly don't work, don't provide value, just extract profits from capital. Is that true or why it's not true? Clear as mud. I started this thread by pointing out that religious and cultural texts ask us to cancel debts. For thousands of years. And in societies that had much less surplus production of everything. Not do it all the time, but once you do it, just cancel all of them, not pick debtors that "provide value". Is that bad and immoral advice?
- aristofun 3y agoWhat kind of debt do you universally cancel when introducing UBI? I don’t follow. Ps: i grew up in ussr, i know couple things about communism & utopias :)