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It's not hard at all, the localization team just made a mistake. The solution is to not localize for Americans.

School-Cotton 3y ago
Yes just ignore the vast majority of native English speakers. I wonder why an English-language newspaper (which heavily markets itself outside the UK) didn’t think of that.
- chungy 3y ago
  Or we can just use a calculator. I'm sure most people's phones can even translate it by a voice command "What's 20 degrees Celsius in Fahrenheit?"
  - School-Cotton 3y ago
    That will give the same wrong answer this post is discussing.
    - gus_massa 3y ago
      Yep https://www.google.com/search?q=%22What%27s+20+degrees+Celsius+in+Fahrenheit%3F%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22What%27s+20+degrees+Celsi...
  - recursive 3y ago
    There's a decent chance that the author of the incorrect headline did exactly that.
- mgaunard 3y ago
  "vast majority" is a bit of a hyperbole; there are more English speakers outside of the USA than in it, though it's close to 50/50, and it's indeed the country with the most English speakers.
  - School-Cotton 3y ago
    I did say native English speakers, but regardless, the point stands that the US is an extremely important market for any media targeting itself to the broader Anglosphere.
    - makeitdouble 3y ago
      > Anglosphere If you're moving the target to the Anglosphere, we have to count the whole population consumming content in English as their second of third language, so the US becomes a way tinier portion of it. I'll give you that for The Guardian, a US newspaper with US subscribers, the US market is extremely important. The broader case is harder to make.
      - School-Cotton 3y ago
        > If you're moving the target to the Anglosphere, we have to count the whole population consumming content in English as their second of third language, so the US becomes a way tinier portion of it. By “Anglosphere” I don’t mean everyone who speaks English. I mean the countries whose primary language is English and whose majority culture originally descends from England: at least the US, UK, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. (A few other countries like Ireland or parts of South Africa don’t fit the strict definition but have a long and close association with England so can be thought of similarly. My point here is not to debate to what extent Ireland is culturally similar to England which is of course a controversial subject). People in these countries consume much of the same media and are much more culturally similar to each other than they are to people in e.g. India or the Philippines, even the ones who speak native-level English. > The Guardian, a US newspaper with US subscribers The Guardian is British.
        makeitdouble 3y ago
        > The Guardian is British. Touché. > By “Anglosphere” I don’t mean everyone who speaks English Thanks, point taken.
    - 3y ago
master-lincoln 3y ago
Maybe it helps to push for Murica to finally adapt SI units. All American countries outside the USA already use °C https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/references/weights-and-measures/ https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/references/weights-an...
- School-Cotton 3y ago
  > Maybe it helps to push for Murica to finally adapt SI units. Nitpick: Celsius is not an SI unit. Answering the substantive point: it’d be nice if we switched to SI units (plus Celsius); personally my phone is already set to display those and I wish we’d join the rest of the world and do standard stuff. However, I think it’s extremely unlikely to ever happen. The deadlocked US political system makes it impossible to enact any reform on any topic that anyone can create controversy about, and that includes switching to international standard units.
  - Moru 3y ago
    It's on the way :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_Stat...
    - School-Cotton 3y ago
      Some stuff in the US is metric, and some isn’t, but as far as I can tell the situation of metric units in daily life is static and not changing much.
    - katbyte 3y ago
      And it was ok the way and if regan hadn’t canceled it America would have switched around the same time Canada did
  - rendaw 3y ago
    Per wikipedia > The degree Celsius is ... one of two temperature scales used in the International System of Units (SI), the other being the Kelvin scale. Edit: To expand, within SI Celsius is defined as a derived unit, and Kelvin is a base unit.

Yes just ignore the vast majority of native English speakers. I wonder why an English-language newspaper (which heavily markets itself outside the UK) didn’t think of that.

chungy 3y ago
Or we can just use a calculator. I'm sure most people's phones can even translate it by a voice command "What's 20 degrees Celsius in Fahrenheit?"
- School-Cotton 3y ago
  That will give the same wrong answer this post is discussing.
  - gus_massa 3y ago
    Yep https://www.google.com/search?q=%22What%27s+20+degrees+Celsius+in+Fahrenheit%3F%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22What%27s+20+degrees+Celsi...
- recursive 3y ago
  There's a decent chance that the author of the incorrect headline did exactly that.
mgaunard 3y ago
"vast majority" is a bit of a hyperbole; there are more English speakers outside of the USA than in it, though it's close to 50/50, and it's indeed the country with the most English speakers.
- School-Cotton 3y ago
  I did say native English speakers, but regardless, the point stands that the US is an extremely important market for any media targeting itself to the broader Anglosphere.
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    > Anglosphere If you're moving the target to the Anglosphere, we have to count the whole population consumming content in English as their second of third language, so the US becomes a way tinier portion of it. I'll give you that for The Guardian, a US newspaper with US subscribers, the US market is extremely important. The broader case is harder to make.
    - School-Cotton 3y ago
      > If you're moving the target to the Anglosphere, we have to count the whole population consumming content in English as their second of third language, so the US becomes a way tinier portion of it. By “Anglosphere” I don’t mean everyone who speaks English. I mean the countries whose primary language is English and whose majority culture originally descends from England: at least the US, UK, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. (A few other countries like Ireland or parts of South Africa don’t fit the strict definition but have a long and close association with England so can be thought of similarly. My point here is not to debate to what extent Ireland is culturally similar to England which is of course a controversial subject). People in these countries consume much of the same media and are much more culturally similar to each other than they are to people in e.g. India or the Philippines, even the ones who speak native-level English. > The Guardian, a US newspaper with US subscribers The Guardian is British.
      - makeitdouble 3y ago
        > The Guardian is British. Touché. > By “Anglosphere” I don’t mean everyone who speaks English Thanks, point taken.
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master-lincoln 3y ago

Maybe it helps to push for Murica to finally adapt SI units. All American countries outside the USA already use °C https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/references/weights-and-measures/ https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/references/weights-an...

School-Cotton 3y ago
> Maybe it helps to push for Murica to finally adapt SI units. Nitpick: Celsius is not an SI unit. Answering the substantive point: it’d be nice if we switched to SI units (plus Celsius); personally my phone is already set to display those and I wish we’d join the rest of the world and do standard stuff. However, I think it’s extremely unlikely to ever happen. The deadlocked US political system makes it impossible to enact any reform on any topic that anyone can create controversy about, and that includes switching to international standard units.
- Moru 3y ago
  It's on the way :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_Stat...
  - School-Cotton 3y ago
    Some stuff in the US is metric, and some isn’t, but as far as I can tell the situation of metric units in daily life is static and not changing much.
  - katbyte 3y ago
    And it was ok the way and if regan hadn’t canceled it America would have switched around the same time Canada did
- rendaw 3y ago
  Per wikipedia > The degree Celsius is ... one of two temperature scales used in the International System of Units (SI), the other being the Kelvin scale. Edit: To expand, within SI Celsius is defined as a derived unit, and Kelvin is a base unit.