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A manifesto by an idiot for idiots. The guy displays a severe lack of education and just shows what a dangerous and delusional moron he really is.

camillomiller 3y ago
I know this might not be a good comment by the guidelines, but I rarely have wanted to be able to give ten upvotes like in the case of this comment
imagine99 3y ago
That may or may not be a correct assessment but you will have a hard time convincing anyone, moronic or non-moronic, without any real arguments and counter-examples. I for one would have loved some more substance to your post...
- SCdF 3y ago
  Have you read the article that is the subject of this thread? You could start with that
  - fastball 3y ago
    So... you too are unable to actually articulate the issues you have with it?
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  He uncritically cites the author of “The Fascist Manifesto” as a “patron saint.” You can safely disregard anything that does this as idiocy.
  - Acrobatic_Road 3y ago
    He is better known as the author of the Futurist Manifesto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto_of_Futurism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto_of_Futurism
    - meheleventyone 3y ago
      He’s pretty famously an author of both that and the Fascist Manifesto that followed a few years later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Manifesto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Manifesto
      - peteforde 3y ago
        I'd never heard of him until today. I would stand up to defend your right to read and enjoy a good book by a person that you aren't an expert in. In general, I try to start by extending the benefit of doubt. It seems like nobody here stopped to wonder if pmarca had any idea that the dude wrote the Fascist Manifesto. And if he didn't, does he still deserve to be shamed for enjoying his other work without Googling him first? What if you found out the author of the last thing you read was a fascist after the fact? Should we be mad at you? Do you Google the author of everything you read? If so, that sounds exhausting.
        bugglebeetle 3y ago
        If you call one of the fathers of fascist ideology your “patron saint,” in the context of also listing several other right wing thinkers, I think you know what you’re doing and should expect corresponding disdain.
        fastball 3y ago
        Are there no left-wing thinkers in that rather extensive list?
  - fastball 3y ago
    The irony of calling other people uncritical when using logical fallacies to make your point. https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-ad-hominem/ https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/log...
    - bugglebeetle 3y ago
      The irony of not understanding what ad hominem is while accusing others of it.
peteforde 3y ago
I struggle with this because while I am with you in tone and spirit, the fact of the matter is that pmarca is incredibly intelligent. Putting his wildly successful investment firm aside, you know that he created the first widely used graphical web browser and co-founded Mozilla, right? Instead, I propose that he's been breathing different oxygen for so long that he's long since started believing his own legend. Frankly, I just don't believe that he has anyone in his life who would serve as a grounding influence, and I find this really sad. Anyhow, I jumped into the thread because I find calling someone demonstrably brilliant an "uneducated, delusional moron" might feel good but it distracts from the real discussion.
- meheleventyone 3y ago
  You can be brilliant in some aspects and a delusional moron in others. The latter often happens when the brilliant feel their brilliance extends beyond their education.
  - peteforde 3y ago
    I didn't finish high school, and by your logic I shouldn't be able to do much more than flip burgers. I can believe that pmarca is wrong about many things, but that doesn't make him a moron. pmarca is clearly not a moron. If you have a huge problem with his opinions, writing him off as a moron is intellectually lazy and it won't advance your position.
    - meheleventyone 3y ago
      You need to read what I wrote again because I didn’t call him a moron or say that if you are uneducated you can’t be brilliant.
      - peteforde 3y ago
        Not only did I read what you wrote again, I re-read the comment that you replied to... the one that clearly unambiguously calls pmarca a delusional moron. In other words, we were both replying to a comment that did indeed call him a moron.

camillomiller 3y ago

I know this might not be a good comment by the guidelines, but I rarely have wanted to be able to give ten upvotes like in the case of this comment

imagine99 3y ago

That may or may not be a correct assessment but you will have a hard time convincing anyone, moronic or non-moronic, without any real arguments and counter-examples. I for one would have loved some more substance to your post...

SCdF 3y ago
Have you read the article that is the subject of this thread? You could start with that
- fastball 3y ago
  So... you too are unable to actually articulate the issues you have with it?
bugglebeetle 3y ago
He uncritically cites the author of “The Fascist Manifesto” as a “patron saint.” You can safely disregard anything that does this as idiocy.
- Acrobatic_Road 3y ago
  He is better known as the author of the Futurist Manifesto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto_of_Futurism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto_of_Futurism
  - meheleventyone 3y ago
    He’s pretty famously an author of both that and the Fascist Manifesto that followed a few years later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Manifesto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Manifesto
    - peteforde 3y ago
      I'd never heard of him until today. I would stand up to defend your right to read and enjoy a good book by a person that you aren't an expert in. In general, I try to start by extending the benefit of doubt. It seems like nobody here stopped to wonder if pmarca had any idea that the dude wrote the Fascist Manifesto. And if he didn't, does he still deserve to be shamed for enjoying his other work without Googling him first? What if you found out the author of the last thing you read was a fascist after the fact? Should we be mad at you? Do you Google the author of everything you read? If so, that sounds exhausting.
      - bugglebeetle 3y ago
        If you call one of the fathers of fascist ideology your “patron saint,” in the context of also listing several other right wing thinkers, I think you know what you’re doing and should expect corresponding disdain.
        fastball 3y ago
        Are there no left-wing thinkers in that rather extensive list?
- fastball 3y ago
  The irony of calling other people uncritical when using logical fallacies to make your point. https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-ad-hominem/ https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/log...
  - bugglebeetle 3y ago
    The irony of not understanding what ad hominem is while accusing others of it.

peteforde 3y ago

I struggle with this because while I am with you in tone and spirit, the fact of the matter is that pmarca is incredibly intelligent. Putting his wildly successful investment firm aside, you know that he created the first widely used graphical web browser and co-founded Mozilla, right? Instead, I propose that he's been breathing different oxygen for so long that he's long since started believing his own legend. Frankly, I just don't believe that he has anyone in his life who would serve as a grounding influence, and I find this really sad. Anyhow, I jumped into the thread because I find calling someone demonstrably brilliant an "uneducated, delusional moron" might feel good but it distracts from the real discussion.

meheleventyone 3y ago
You can be brilliant in some aspects and a delusional moron in others. The latter often happens when the brilliant feel their brilliance extends beyond their education.
- peteforde 3y ago
  I didn't finish high school, and by your logic I shouldn't be able to do much more than flip burgers. I can believe that pmarca is wrong about many things, but that doesn't make him a moron. pmarca is clearly not a moron. If you have a huge problem with his opinions, writing him off as a moron is intellectually lazy and it won't advance your position.
  - meheleventyone 3y ago
    You need to read what I wrote again because I didn’t call him a moron or say that if you are uneducated you can’t be brilliant.
    - peteforde 3y ago
      Not only did I read what you wrote again, I re-read the comment that you replied to... the one that clearly unambiguously calls pmarca a delusional moron. In other words, we were both replying to a comment that did indeed call him a moron.