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I wanted to buy a license for the extension pack and they said not to worry unless I was using hundreds of installs.

by applied_heat 3y ago

kstrauser 3y ago
When the devil tells you not to worry about the details of the contract, you worry about the details.
- ddlsmurf 3y ago
  Indeed, do you have that gracious offer in writing ?
- trog 3y ago
  I suspect they probably actively try to avoid people that only have one or two installs - there's not enough money in it & casual users are probably more likely to just abandon the product rather than try to get some crazy licensing deal approved with Oracle (I certainly would). So those users would be reasonably big timesinks with little possibility of phat commissions at the end of it. Much better to make the initial inquiry & find out if their stalking horse of making VirtualBox free has meant it's landed in a large organisation where they might have many installs & they're much more likely to get a big payday for roughly the same amount of effort.
  - kijin 3y ago
    Why even bother going through a crazy licensing deal? They could just write a shrink-wrapped license attached to an online payment form like everyone else does. Only require talking to a sales rep if the quantity is above a certain threshold. Oh wait, this is Oracle. They don't know how to handle amounts smaller than a few grand.
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  - dylan604 3y ago
    Everything you just wrote are the wet dreams of lawyers. Especially those that work for companies like Oracle.
barkingcat 3y ago
This is pretty much entrapment.
- kstrauser 3y ago
  Entrapment would be if they coerced you into doing it when you weren’t going to do it on your own.
  - barkingcat 3y ago
    well the poster there wanted to buy a license, but was coerced by the oracle rep into using it without a license. (so they weren't going to use it unlicensed to begin with)
mrweasel 3y ago
We got hit with that in reverse and management had to ban installing VirtualBox. Oracle waited around until we had 25 (or 50) installs and then started to demand a lot of money. In the end it was cheaper to just get more VMware Fusion licenses.
addicted 3y ago
Translation: Your company does not have enough users for us to sue yet.

I wanted to buy a license for the extension pack and they said not to worry unless I was using hundreds of installs.

kstrauser 3y ago

When the devil tells you not to worry about the details of the contract, you worry about the details.

ddlsmurf 3y ago
Indeed, do you have that gracious offer in writing ?
trog 3y ago
I suspect they probably actively try to avoid people that only have one or two installs - there's not enough money in it & casual users are probably more likely to just abandon the product rather than try to get some crazy licensing deal approved with Oracle (I certainly would). So those users would be reasonably big timesinks with little possibility of phat commissions at the end of it. Much better to make the initial inquiry & find out if their stalking horse of making VirtualBox free has meant it's landed in a large organisation where they might have many installs & they're much more likely to get a big payday for roughly the same amount of effort.
- kijin 3y ago
  Why even bother going through a crazy licensing deal? They could just write a shrink-wrapped license attached to an online payment form like everyone else does. Only require talking to a sales rep if the quantity is above a certain threshold. Oh wait, this is Oracle. They don't know how to handle amounts smaller than a few grand.
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- dylan604 3y ago
  Everything you just wrote are the wet dreams of lawyers. Especially those that work for companies like Oracle.

barkingcat 3y ago

This is pretty much entrapment.

kstrauser 3y ago
Entrapment would be if they coerced you into doing it when you weren’t going to do it on your own.
- barkingcat 3y ago
  well the poster there wanted to buy a license, but was coerced by the oracle rep into using it without a license. (so they weren't going to use it unlicensed to begin with)

mrweasel 3y ago

We got hit with that in reverse and management had to ban installing VirtualBox. Oracle waited around until we had 25 (or 50) installs and then started to demand a lot of money. In the end it was cheaper to just get more VMware Fusion licenses.

addicted 3y ago

Translation: Your company does not have enough users for us to sue yet.