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I just told you about a case of a murder in a suburb that was solved. Murderers are caught all the time in the US. Are you claiming that because police don't so

I just told you about a case of a murder in a suburb that was solved. Murderers are caught all the time in the US. Are you claiming that because police don't solve 100% of murders in the US, we should consider police fundamentally useless?

bombcar 3y ago
Some people are so privileged they think the police do nothing, the prisons are only filled with the wrongfully convicted, and crime isn’t really a problem. That being said, I’m all for attempting the experiment, preferably far from me.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  > Some people are so privileged they think the police do nothing They do plenty of things. And I'm glad I'm privileged enough that I never suffer them doing things. No, I started the conversation out talking specifically about "the things they do what we would actually want them to do". This is because, were they gone, we wouldn't have to worry about them doing "the things they do that we never want done to ourselves, or to anyone else". You're just confused. It's a confusing subject. You're not used to thinking about these things, no one wants you to contemplate them too carefully.
  - matchbok 3y ago
    You must live a sheltered life to think this. Viewing an entire group of people as evil or inherently bad. People like you are the reason why progress in the area is so hard. You don't understand the reality of the job.
    - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
      You actually need the sheltered life to not think this. You've only had the smallest interactions with them, in the circumstances where you had the slightest little misfortune to get a traffic ticket or where they were feeling generous that day. It's bizarre. "Why can't that internet weirdo see that the police are awesome and society would fall apart if they were gone?" only works if you've not paid attention to what the police are doing because you get to be 50 miles away when they're doing it.
      - matchbok 3y ago
        Are you a troll account? I can't imagine someone being so obtuse, this must be a joke. You continue to paint any pushback as some bad faith, exaggerated caricature in order to support your silly ideas. The fact of the matter is most people trust most police, that is evidenced in polls after polls, in every community.
        bombcar 3y ago
        The people who are most affected by reduced policing are the marginalized communities where crime is rampant. He's correct that if you remove police from a well-off suburb not much will happen, because they mainly do tickets and domestics, and who really cares if a couple is fighting? But when police are removed from neighborhoods where crime is an issue, it immediately and directly affects those who live there, and not in a good way.
        NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
        Like in San Francisco, where the chief of police states publicly that having your window broken and your parked car trashed is just the price of living there? Like when those big inner cities become food deserts because the retail stores start locking up the toothpaste and cans of soup behind glass cabinets a few months before they close down entirely and move out? You think that those places could get worse than they are, and that the cops (who don't do anything to stop any of these crimes as they happen, or to deter them in any way because they're too busy concentrating on the drug war that brings in confiscated cash they get to keep) somehow prevent things from becoming even worse? It's difficult to reconcile the idea that you live on the same planet that I do, and that (presumably) you have done so for many years.
        matchbok 3y ago
        Do you actually think most police aren't chasing thieves because they have to go bust some drug dealers in order to steal their cash? Like, you really believe that? Please tell me you don't. This must be a joke. SF basically told their police to stop going after small time thieves after 2020. The result has been mass mobs of stores and a huge increase in theft. They voted for these polices to raise the bar at which someone can be prosecuted, so police do nothing. Jesus, do your research (and not on left wing Twitter lol)

bombcar 3y ago

Some people are so privileged they think the police do nothing, the prisons are only filled with the wrongfully convicted, and crime isn’t really a problem. That being said, I’m all for attempting the experiment, preferably far from me.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
> Some people are so privileged they think the police do nothing They do plenty of things. And I'm glad I'm privileged enough that I never suffer them doing things. No, I started the conversation out talking specifically about "the things they do what we would actually want them to do". This is because, were they gone, we wouldn't have to worry about them doing "the things they do that we never want done to ourselves, or to anyone else". You're just confused. It's a confusing subject. You're not used to thinking about these things, no one wants you to contemplate them too carefully.
- matchbok 3y ago
  You must live a sheltered life to think this. Viewing an entire group of people as evil or inherently bad. People like you are the reason why progress in the area is so hard. You don't understand the reality of the job.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
    You actually need the sheltered life to not think this. You've only had the smallest interactions with them, in the circumstances where you had the slightest little misfortune to get a traffic ticket or where they were feeling generous that day. It's bizarre. "Why can't that internet weirdo see that the police are awesome and society would fall apart if they were gone?" only works if you've not paid attention to what the police are doing because you get to be 50 miles away when they're doing it.
    - matchbok 3y ago
      Are you a troll account? I can't imagine someone being so obtuse, this must be a joke. You continue to paint any pushback as some bad faith, exaggerated caricature in order to support your silly ideas. The fact of the matter is most people trust most police, that is evidenced in polls after polls, in every community.
      - bombcar 3y ago
        The people who are most affected by reduced policing are the marginalized communities where crime is rampant. He's correct that if you remove police from a well-off suburb not much will happen, because they mainly do tickets and domestics, and who really cares if a couple is fighting? But when police are removed from neighborhoods where crime is an issue, it immediately and directly affects those who live there, and not in a good way.
        NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
        Like in San Francisco, where the chief of police states publicly that having your window broken and your parked car trashed is just the price of living there? Like when those big inner cities become food deserts because the retail stores start locking up the toothpaste and cans of soup behind glass cabinets a few months before they close down entirely and move out? You think that those places could get worse than they are, and that the cops (who don't do anything to stop any of these crimes as they happen, or to deter them in any way because they're too busy concentrating on the drug war that brings in confiscated cash they get to keep) somehow prevent things from becoming even worse? It's difficult to reconcile the idea that you live on the same planet that I do, and that (presumably) you have done so for many years.
        matchbok 3y ago
        Do you actually think most police aren't chasing thieves because they have to go bust some drug dealers in order to steal their cash? Like, you really believe that? Please tell me you don't. This must be a joke. SF basically told their police to stop going after small time thieves after 2020. The result has been mass mobs of stores and a huge increase in theft. They voted for these polices to raise the bar at which someone can be prosecuted, so police do nothing. Jesus, do your research (and not on left wing Twitter lol)