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Sequencing is something done by many types of biologist, there's nothing special about virologists there. No, this is a profession that really should not exist

by nvm0n2 3y ago

Sequencing is something done by many types of biologist, there's nothing special about virologists there. No, this is a profession that really should not exist at all. GoF was banned in the past without consequence beyond causing them to engage in coverups of their own psychotic experimentations, it can be banned again with no loss to humanity. COVID simply wouldn't have happened if these experiments were banned.

shadowgovt 3y ago
There is not sufficient evidence to support the hypothesis that COVID would not have happened if these experiments were banned.
cbsmith 3y ago
> Sequencing is something done by many types of biologist, there's nothing special about virologists there. Sequencing can be done by a high school student in a lab. Of course, to obtain a sequence for a novel virus, you have to do a lot more than that, but let's pretend that's all you have to do; the fact remains that the sequencing wasn't done by a high school student in a lab, but by virologists. I agree that everything virologists do could be done by non-virologists. That doesn't mean that it's what happened, nor that it'd be a good idea.
- nvm0n2 3y ago
  Of course it was sequenced by virologists, they're the ones who were there at the start when they let it escape, they're the ones who were splicing cleavage sites into it and developing vaccines against what they'd developed. It's all in the grant application to read about there. Then they provided the sequences to allies via back channels early on. So they don't get points for being first, when they're the ones who created the problem in the first place.
  - shadowgovt 3y ago
    Part of me wishes the international virology community was as coordinated as you imagine. It would be nice if we could place the blame on a shadow cabal who sickened the world on purpose for grant money. It would be convenient. The real world is not nearly that tidy. Most of the Wuhan lab researchers' counterparts don't even speak Chinese, and you're imagining some kind of international conspiracy to drum up a disease and the cure for it. Oh, to have the naive optimism of the conspiracy theorist. A lot of my projects would be so much more easy if people worked that way.
    - nvm0n2 3y ago
      You're a virologist then? That would make sense given your other replies. > Part of me wishes the international virology community was as coordinated as you imagine It's pretty damn coordinated and we have the receipts to prove it. Sorry for you if you're not in the loop, but when you read chat transcripts, meeting notes, and emails where they literally organize a conspiracy to shut down all public discussion, and no virologists stand up to say, "this stance is not accurate", then we may as well consider virology to be globally coordinated. By the way, cut the condescending tone about conspiracy theorists. They utterly won this round, beyond all possible doubt. The people who blithely dismiss any possibility of academic conspiracy turned out to be the naive ones. The people who posited a conspiracy to suppress discussion of lab leaks can now point to reams of hard evidence where scientists literally say they're going to publish statements they don't believe for political reasons, where they say they're going to engineer a SARS-CoV-2 like virus, where they say they're going to do it in order to develop a vaccine against it. Basically every conspiracy theory turned out to be true. You should respect that a lot more!
      - shadowgovt 3y ago
        Most of what you're just wrote is flatly untrue. If there are receipts, post them.

by nvm0n2 3y ago

shadowgovt 3y ago

There is not sufficient evidence to support the hypothesis that COVID would not have happened if these experiments were banned.

cbsmith 3y ago

> Sequencing is something done by many types of biologist, there's nothing special about virologists there. Sequencing can be done by a high school student in a lab. Of course, to obtain a sequence for a novel virus, you have to do a lot more than that, but let's pretend that's all you have to do; the fact remains that the sequencing wasn't done by a high school student in a lab, but by virologists. I agree that everything virologists do could be done by non-virologists. That doesn't mean that it's what happened, nor that it'd be a good idea.

nvm0n2 3y ago
Of course it was sequenced by virologists, they're the ones who were there at the start when they let it escape, they're the ones who were splicing cleavage sites into it and developing vaccines against what they'd developed. It's all in the grant application to read about there. Then they provided the sequences to allies via back channels early on. So they don't get points for being first, when they're the ones who created the problem in the first place.
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  Part of me wishes the international virology community was as coordinated as you imagine. It would be nice if we could place the blame on a shadow cabal who sickened the world on purpose for grant money. It would be convenient. The real world is not nearly that tidy. Most of the Wuhan lab researchers' counterparts don't even speak Chinese, and you're imagining some kind of international conspiracy to drum up a disease and the cure for it. Oh, to have the naive optimism of the conspiracy theorist. A lot of my projects would be so much more easy if people worked that way.
  - nvm0n2 3y ago
    You're a virologist then? That would make sense given your other replies. > Part of me wishes the international virology community was as coordinated as you imagine It's pretty damn coordinated and we have the receipts to prove it. Sorry for you if you're not in the loop, but when you read chat transcripts, meeting notes, and emails where they literally organize a conspiracy to shut down all public discussion, and no virologists stand up to say, "this stance is not accurate", then we may as well consider virology to be globally coordinated. By the way, cut the condescending tone about conspiracy theorists. They utterly won this round, beyond all possible doubt. The people who blithely dismiss any possibility of academic conspiracy turned out to be the naive ones. The people who posited a conspiracy to suppress discussion of lab leaks can now point to reams of hard evidence where scientists literally say they're going to publish statements they don't believe for political reasons, where they say they're going to engineer a SARS-CoV-2 like virus, where they say they're going to do it in order to develop a vaccine against it. Basically every conspiracy theory turned out to be true. You should respect that a lot more!
    - shadowgovt 3y ago
      Most of what you're just wrote is flatly untrue. If there are receipts, post them.