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Someone writing words in a prompt and a photographer setting up a photoshoot are completely different! Different enough that we can easily draw a line between t

Someone writing words in a prompt and a photographer setting up a photoshoot are completely different! Different enough that we can easily draw a line between these activities. In the above case, the photographer had a particular vision in mind and fulfilled it with their camera, choosing the scenery, lighting, model, colors, framing, and overall composition. They set up all of those factors, and then chose the best take from the portraits to use for further work. It was deliberate and done with specific intent. There is no way one can argue this is the same as entering words into a prompt with a straight face.

throwthrow1710 3y ago
>There is no way one can argue this is the same as entering words into a prompt with a straight face. I have no stakes in this game but yeah, I think they are the exactly the same. I always thought of photography as a "phony" art, unlike classical canvas painters. You're using a machine that does all the work for you. In this case, the prompt is the camera positioning, lighting etc. Not that any of this matters anyway, so don't waste energy with an uphill battle. As long as they like the actual result, people won't care.
TeMPOraL 3y ago
> Someone writing words in a prompt and a photographer setting up a photoshoot are completely different! Different enough that we can easily draw a line between these activities. That's why I didn't write "a photographer setting up a photoshoot"; I specifically wrote "a photographer who shoots a couple dozen photos on the go". Perhaps I should've written "a person owning a DSLR" or "amateur instagrammer" instead. Point is, when discussing copyright both in general, and wrt. generative AI in particular, people tend to bucket together casual, amateur and professional photographers, making it seem that the former do the same kind of creative work as the latter. But that's not true, and not fair - there isn't much more effort or creativity going into casual photography, than there is into iterating a stable diffusion prompt until one finds something they like. Professional photographers have their generative-AI-user counterpart, but in form of an artist or graphic designer using AI-assist tools as part of their overall workflow.

throwthrow1710 3y ago

>There is no way one can argue this is the same as entering words into a prompt with a straight face. I have no stakes in this game but yeah, I think they are the exactly the same. I always thought of photography as a "phony" art, unlike classical canvas painters. You're using a machine that does all the work for you. In this case, the prompt is the camera positioning, lighting etc. Not that any of this matters anyway, so don't waste energy with an uphill battle. As long as they like the actual result, people won't care.

TeMPOraL 3y ago

> Someone writing words in a prompt and a photographer setting up a photoshoot are completely different! Different enough that we can easily draw a line between these activities. That's why I didn't write "a photographer setting up a photoshoot"; I specifically wrote "a photographer who shoots a couple dozen photos on the go". Perhaps I should've written "a person owning a DSLR" or "amateur instagrammer" instead. Point is, when discussing copyright both in general, and wrt. generative AI in particular, people tend to bucket together casual, amateur and professional photographers, making it seem that the former do the same kind of creative work as the latter. But that's not true, and not fair - there isn't much more effort or creativity going into casual photography, than there is into iterating a stable diffusion prompt until one finds something they like. Professional photographers have their generative-AI-user counterpart, but in form of an artist or graphic designer using AI-assist tools as part of their overall workflow.